Still don't care, why should it. Never has, never will. Would you have me pretend I do care so people are aware that actually I don't.
Your response is a well known tactic. 2/10 could do better.
PvP An Investigation Into Frontier's Actions on Combat Logging, Part 2
- Thread starter Rinzler o7o7o7
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Still don't care, why should it. Never has, never will. Would you have me pretend I do care so people are aware that actually I don't.
Your response is a well known tactic. 2/10 could do better.
And that would add more salt into the wounds of people wanting to oppose cgs,
blockade events as such, as they then actually see who undermines their efforts and
they still can't do anything about that.
How would that add to the game?
This game needs to grow up and get proper.
Back to topic.
I'm just saying SDC told the world they are trying to find out about FDEV's ways and FDEV dont want the world to know so if I was FDEV and I saw combat log reports on accounts ran from the same ip they are being reported from or known SDC ip's then.....
Goose4291
Banned
If you don't care, then please care enough to not spike a
discussion without contributing to it.
have some decency.
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Not buying it, i think you care loads. This response just made it even more obvious
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Most other mainstream MMOs designed their basic gameplay around a clear division between PvP actions and PvE actions so putting that sort of flag in is easy. Frontier, for Elite Dangerous, did not ... for a variety of reasons, including but not limited to "trying to make a multiplayer sequel to Elite". Retrofitting a "PvE mode" onto the game now - either as a formal mode or with "PvP flags" - is not at all practical.
There are plenty of ways to disrupt or cause serious damage/costs to other players in Elite Dangerous that don't involve shooting them. Many of them are even considered legal actions.
A few examples:
- is launching untargeted collector limpets next to a player who is mining PvE or PvP?
- is sitting outside a station scanning every ship that goes past PvE or PvP?
- is sitting in an unarmed ship on the landing pad PvE or PvP?
Even tougher: try to find a PvE-compatible rule for collisions that doesn't allow someone to get a station to shoot another player or allow someone to blockade another player inside a station.
The only way to avoid PvP [1] completely is to ensure that no other player instances with you. Frontier have provided an option which does this. You could relax this a bit to "no other player you don't already trust" if you wanted - Frontier have also provided an option to do that. That's what there is.
[1] Well, almost. Even then you're affected by UA bombing, lockdowns, and other BGS-related events.
I have contributed, it is important to represent the view of those who see this as an extremely trivial matter.
FD gave their reply, they don't want to respond to a 'fake investigation' and that seems more than fair. #Stop fake news
Stop crying, if you don't like CL play solo
Translation: Head in sand, it's not happening. Please stop exposing this thing that isn't happening.
That sounds like a lot more effort than it's worth, but then I never carry cargo.
Maybe they just have a report threshold before considering something worthy of putting in a fix and it finally tipped the balance, I don't think FDEV actively play favorites.
not at all, cheats should be dealt with. But a fake investigation by a group with ulterior motives using questionable methods is not a reliable study, I'd rather trust FD thanks.
I am supposed nobody who are speaking loud about CLogging not have a ban yet.
Telling a truth of that forum is usually considerent as harrasment.
Sole Hunter
Banned
Why are you so quick to assume the investigation was done by all SDC members and not just by Rinzler himself as an individual and player of this game?
He simply said he was helped by his friend in SDC ''combat logging'' on each other, that doesn't imply everybody pitched in the investigation and even if that was the case, combat logging is still considered cheating. It doesn't really matter who's the offender, cheating is still cheating no matter who's doing it.
That doesn't invalidate Frontier inaction on the matter.
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Stop crying, if you don't like CL play solo
There is an element of humour in a group who pride themselves on being as unpleasant as possible demanding players get punished for refusing to play with them.
Compromises mate. There has to be a compromise somewhere, remembering the game is PvE focused, not PvP. It was never going to be a single no holds barred mode - separate modes with the playerbase split or have everyone in the same mode but sacrifice some immersion by using PvP flags but either way, the same impact re CGs (and ability to oppose them) remains. I think I'd rather have everyone in the same mode, despite the less desirable behaviours, but with a PvE focus that would be problematic without segregating the PvP somehow, be that with a flag or segregated PvP zones (with everywhere else PvE only). But that's off-topic - I think a flag, had it been implemented, would have mitigated, although not entirely eliminated, the problems of gankers, griefers AND combat loggers in one hit. Combat logging should be reduced if one could play in open but eliminate the risk of unwanted PvP via a flag. Of course, right now the better option is simply to switch to solo or private because those options exist - the PvP flag is only a hypothetical really as it only arises as a mitigator if we only had the one mode to choose from.
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The fact that the op states that it was 'we' doing the investigating not 'me'.
Personal Background: I engage in PVP rarely, and condone neither cloggers nor gankers. When someone combat logs on me, I still consider that a "win", and have only reported it once or twice for really egregious offenses. I have NEVER combat logged, not even when the other side was using cheap exploits. So on the face of it, I am the type of player that this deficiency of justice wouldn't seem to impact at all.
HOWEVER, I find Frontier's seeming inability to enforce their own rules to be particularly disturbing. If Frontier are going to refuse to be open and accountable cops (instead acting like secret police that never seem to deliver justice) then I fear that groups like SDC and other "terrorists" will take matters into their own hands and create a more chaotic environment for the rest of us. A open and clear ruleset might be exploitable, but at least it would give us something to bank and rely on.
I'll give you guys full credit for punishing the engineering hackers, even though it was only after massive forum pressure. But expecting us to simply take your word, when everyone here on the forums personally knows at least 1 or 2 serial combat loggers who have never once even suffered a "warning" on their accounts? This not only stains credulity, it also massively diminishes the integrity of the game. Games need rules. For the sake of the game, please make these rules public, and please ENFORCE them going forward. That would be a fair result.
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