Not asking for favors here. Cheat protection and a firm stance against cheaters is a fundamental element of any multiplayergame and should have been there from day 1. Tbh I think cheating has become such a customary practice, it's probably too late anyway. Most pure PvP'ers have probably left the game long ago, and casual PvP'ers teeth-gnashingly accepted its futility.
PvP An Investigation Into Frontier's Actions on Combat Logging, Part 2
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Not asking for favors here. Cheat protection and a firm stance against cheaters is a fundamental element of any multiplayergame and should have been there from day 1. Tbh I think cheating has become such a customary practice, it's probably too late anyway. Most pure PvP'ers have probably left the game long ago, and casual PvP'ers teeth-gnashingly accepted its futility.
I mean... Did you really think they did something? I knew it was a farce when they said it the first time.
Combat logging is so far down their "FDev cares" list it's laughable.
People combat log so often I actually had difficulty finding a wing at the Thargoid bounty CG that didn't contain a logger. 4 out 5 attempts with randoms. That's unreal.
Combat logging is so far down their "FDev cares" list it's laughable.
People combat log so often I actually had difficulty finding a wing at the Thargoid bounty CG that didn't contain a logger. 4 out 5 attempts with randoms. That's unreal.
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Rinzler o7o7o7
Banned
It's the reason why I left the Code and joined SDC instead. I was a newish player with a piracy dropship obtained through exploration data, pulled my first few traders to pirate them, and taskkills began rolling in. And nobody ever got punished for it.
One of the serial loggers on the Code's old KoS list is still in CG's today, and he taskkills multiple times every CG when he's losing PvP fights (but is happy to stay around and gank with his wingmates).
This is not science, this is not an investigation.
Poor show SDC, you really lost your edge.
Poor show SDC, you really lost your edge.
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Wow. So much work went into this. All because some guy (or girl) playing a VIDEO GAME with no money on the line decided to log off rather than his lose his/her progress in the game to a griefer. The humanity of it all. Surely I'm not the only one scratching my head at the lengths these guys are going to not only shame other players, but now publicly embarrass the game developer? Surely this is a wake up call for Frontier, but laughably, not the wake up call the OP envisions. I'm sure that someone at Frontier has asked the following question at least once: Does anyone play games for fun and entertainment anymore?
PS Happy Birthday big guy, hope it was a good one.
PS Happy Birthday big guy, hope it was a good one.
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Gah, I wish this was old-school Usenet where one could use a thread-splitting reader to separate out the subtopics. I'm really interested in parsing FD's attitude towards combat logging, and other players' responses to it. I'm not in the least bit interested in e-peen waggling. Having to wade through the latter to find the former is gruelling.
These are the same guys who use ISIS style songs over their pew pew slaughter videos only to wind people up. Who openly mock most of the Elite userbase and try their utmost to ruin every game event going for anyone but themselves.
Are we really supposed to feel outraged?
Are we really supposed to feel outraged?
I know what you mean. I'm an old-school MacSOUP and slrn user. Sadly, the modern day equivalent seems to be Reddit, which (to me) is a big bag of 'nope'.
Yeah... because cheaters are famous for increasing everyone's fun in any online game, right?
Wow really? Mass reporting it huh?
Not using it to equip your cheat ships and then ganking others? For how long?
Till FDev got wind of it of course. Then the post about how SDC was doing it as a public service!
Stop. Just go away now. Slink back to Open and go pad block or something.
Yea. Same group.
Rinzler o7o7o7
Banned
Funnily enough, the same group you're trying to refer to are the ones that posted the best crime and punishment overhaul suggestion ever.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/390564-SDC-Presents-Crime-and-Punishment
Rinzler o7o7o7
Banned
I've got some bad news for you, then.
The game's developers have stated that suicidewindering people at stations is legitimate gameplay, since you are 100% safe if you do not exceed the speed limit.
The game's lead designer has himself stated that combat logging is cheating.
Sorry if that bursts your bubble
I've got some bad news for you, then.
The game's developers have stated that suicidewindering people at stations is legitimate gameplay, since you are 100% safe if you do not exceed the speed limit.
The game's lead designer has himself stated that combat logging is cheating.
Sorry if that bursts your bubble
And using two accounts for pips in multicrew, or cheating god-rolls with engineers? I can exit my every game whenever I want to and no one is whining about this on forums.
FD are saying what people wanna hear for give them a break. That's it.
Like I said "if you don't like it play in solo". By the way it's your words
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Thing is though, if you deliberately set out to be bad guys in the game (which you* did), and go out of your way to do increasingly ish things (which you* did), then you shouldn't expect much sympathy if you suddenly start complaining about other people being ish to you.
You may well be right in your claims, but very few people are going to care.
C'est la vie.
*SDC, not you personally, necessarily.
Powderpanic
Banned
I think what we can take from this post is that cheating is ok because SDC don't like it and SDC used an exploit once that of the many many that have existed FDEV actually did something about it and now everyone but SDC has the moral highground *breathes*
Nowhere anywhere have I seen it stated that using multiple accounts and multi-crewing them is declared cheating by FDev. More importantly, assuming this is going on without any empirical proof is unfounded accusation.
And saying one form of cheating is okay because another form of cheating took place, even if the latter is true, is also an invalid argument. Next time you get pulled over by a cop for speeding, try arguing that so-and-so hot-rodded his car in an illegal manner to go faster than it should and they didn't stop them, so they shouldn't make a big deal with you. Let me know how that works out for you.
Cheating only has a consequence if it effects who wins. There is no winning in ED, there isn't a leader board at the end of each round, because there are no rounds.
I said in an earlier post I couldn't understand why people actually care about CL and I still haven't figured it out.
Sorry.
I would go as far asguessing that this is the 'arch type' combat logger. You will see these types in all online games and they are certainly the most common type of 'Ganker'.
They interdict anyone that looks soft and logs at the frist sign of danger. Even I have had these interdictor dangeling FdLs(they usually fly FdLs) vanish from super cruice, just because I turned to face them.
This could of course be just network issues, but it is strange that FdLs with interdictors have most trouble with their connection.
Sometimes these guys fly with a mate. In that case, I usually hi wake before they can put the tether on me.
Even these guys are quite rare where I usually fly, so this is more a gut feeling than a statistical fact.
Suggestion for easy fix, that will reduce the amount of opportunistic combat logging:
- Add a 30 minute cool of timer for logging back into the game, after ungeracefull exit or network disconnect.
This will not stop they guy who is panicking because his no re-buy Clipper is on the line. He probably need the 30 minutes for a cold shower, anyway.
It will however stop those that logs just because it's more practical and time saving, than hi-waking.
I think it's more that Frontier claim it's an actionable offence, then (apparently) don't take action consistently.
I sometimes wonder whether the easiest answer would be for Frontier to just say "You know what? To heck with it, combat logging is fine."