An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

But yet, many people are talking about us and taking our side in this matter. Frontier even admitted their own faults, we made them kneel.

A true delicious victory.

I assume Sundae will be the first victim of Frontier's newly-energized zeal for clamping down on combat logging? He does have a copyright claim logged against YouTube for that particular video, but I'm sure in light of SDC's professed enthusiasm for upstanding citizenship he'll retract that and submit it to Frontier for actioning...right? I mean, integrity is what all this barking is about, after all.
 
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Hahahahaha.

I kinda take your side, yes. But your motivation is the problem with me.

'Many' is a weasel word.

Frontier have kneeled? You put it in bold?

Do you know what a 'pyrrhic victory' is?

I think you're in a dorm stoned with your pals and you're having the biggest giraffe at all of us. I get it. :) just don't ask us to take you seriously when you can't take anything else seriously, ok? :)

I own a house, i served 7 years in the military before going to uni but good assumption!

I'd call it a great victory, we forced their hand and they basically scapegoated the support team because they can't admit they don't enforce policy while lying to us.

I mean look at this picture (2 months of closing tickets and basically giving the same answer and not following their TOS) :

aq3n1pN.png


I assume Sundae will be the first victim of Frontier's newly-energized zeal for clamping down on combat logging? Sadly he does have a copyright claim logged against YouTube for that particular video, but I'm sure in light of SDC's reputation for upstanding citizenry he'll retract that and submit it to Frontier for actioning...right? I mean, integrity is what all this barking is about, after all.

I have no idea, better ask him. I'm sure he doesn't care at this point this game is going to be dead by next year anyway.
 
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Apologies if this has already been stated, I haven't got time to read 60 pages.

It feels to me as though the main issue here is lack of transparency in the outcome of ticket investigation.

Had Frontier said
"We've considered the evidence but it is an insufficient number of instances to warrant action being taken, but we will continue to monitor reports against this player"

then we probably wouldn't be having this conversation. On the other hand if they had said

"We've looked at the evidence and have not found evidence of combat logging"

then your point would stand (they didn't view the video).

Without this transparency there's nothing but speculation on what actually happened. FD should consider this for the future.

FD will not do this kind of thing, probably because they have a duty of privacy under UK law (under which they operate) to their players. Therefore they cannot openly discuss specific cases or actions against any particular player, and they cannot reveal anything about the action they took against any specific player, nor inform the reporting party of what action was taken (or that no action was taken).

If the person who was sanctioned chooses to discuss it, that's a different matter, but FD cannot discuss it. This is why FD are hand tied on such issues - they cannot really defend themselves in detail because they are legally bound not to discuss individual cases.

This also reveals a key point - general players who have been sanctioned for Combat Logging are unlikely to take to the airwaves to discuss it. Vingtetun posted that he is aware of at least one instance where someone was shadow banned for combat logging. I suspect that a lot of players would just suck it up and play in solo until their shadow ban is finished. The fact that you don't know of this happening doesn't mean it never happens.
 
Find the section in the TOS that says i can't send emails to a gaming news site about stuff in a video game.

4.3 You may not transmit any material that is unlawful, defamatory or offensive in relation to your use of the Game or the Online Features.
4.4 You may not use the Game or any Online Features in a manner that could damage, disable, impair, overburden or compromise our systems or security or interfere with the experience of other users of the Game or any Online Feature.

But yet, many people are talking about us and taking our side in this matter. Frontier even admitted their own faults, we made them kneel.

A true delicious victory.

Yeah that's all I'd need to see. Done. Bye.
 
I own a house, i served 7 years in the military before going to uni but good assumption!

I'd call it a great victory, we forced their hand and they basically scapegoated the support team because they can't admit they don't enforce policy while lying to us.

I mean look at this picture (2 months of closing tickets and basically giving the same answer and not following their TOS) :

https://i.imgur.com/aq3n1pN.png



I have no idea, better ask him. I'm sure he doesn't care at this point this game is going to be dead by next year anyway.

Don't be silly. You're making the assumption that I made an assumption. Why talk about the military? You can be any age and stay in a dorm. Dorms and university are connected. Nothing wrong with it. Don't be embarrassed about it. Owning a house is an irrelevance here. My dog owns a house. Who cares.

Yeah, they fobbed you off. Doubt the support team are devastated about it. Being fobbed off is not a victory.

Now a great victory would be getting them to admit the probable truth - they don't enforce policy while lying to us. I can't see that victory yet. But it's still not a victory, it's a sad day for lovers of the game any way you look at it.
 
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Yeah that's all I'd need to see. Done. Bye.

Those lines have nothing to do with sending information about a video game to video gaming news site.
In fact, the information that was sent was this very public thread if frontier judged this thread would be detrimental to their business, they would have closed it.

Hahahahaha.

I think you're in a dorm stoned with your pals and you're having the biggest giraffe at all of us. I get it. :) just don't ask us to take you seriously when you can't take anything else seriously, ok? :)

Just replying to your attacks/insults.
 
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Those lines have nothing to do with sending information about a video game to video gaming news site.
In fact, the information that was sent was this very public thread if frontier judged this thread would be detrimental to their business, they would have closed it.
The entire operation was intended to be defamatory and by your own words intended to bring around disruption of game services through increasing combat logging - then purposefully sent to the press to further defame them and the game more publicly to force your point.

I'm pretty sure the intent to make it detrimental to their business was clearly stated as such in this thread or it might have been reddit - it's all pretty transparent. They don't need people like that
 
How strange. No attacks and no insults from me. Are you OK? People do say paranoia does accompany 'getting high'.

Maybe that's not the case, but regardless, it's just all about the lolz for you.

Please stop inventing things that aren't being said.
 
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Shall I delete this entire thread then since the OP openly admits combat logging ;)

Frankly, FD could have deleted the whole thread, and ignored the OP, since the "investigation" was also arguably abuse of the ticketing system. Fortunately, FD tend to take a context sensitive view of such discussions so there is no black or white "all posts mentioning that someone combat logged will be deleted" rule.

Conversely, unlike combat logging, naming and shaming is specifically called out as against the forum rules. Combat logging is against the game rules, but it is not against the forum rules to mention it.

Its not mentioning it thats the issue and well you know it, its the encouragement to do it, the condoning of it and the perceived acceptance of it thats the issue. But yes sure misrepresent my post to your own ends, it further strengthens my point when even the mods belittle the whole problem. Its a farce from top to bottom.
 
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My my, so many assumptions.

They have admitted that they temporarily disregarded policy so that is not an assumption.

You said and I quote"ignore it in case they go pop and make your favourite game disappear?" That is an admission that you would rather see Frontier stop making games if it means they won't address your concern. Childish.

Firstly, I don't engage in murder. I've pirated people in the game, but they've all left the encounter intact albeit moderately lighter on cargo.

If you truly are the PVP privateer that truly adheres to real pirating gameplay and not some excuse to murder traders then that's good and that fits with the cutthroat style of this game.

More than likely though you're not being honest. You may have started with trying pirating but every pvp pirate eventually either quits or turns to murder-first laugh afterward because pirating isn't as fun and ing off the person on the other side of the screen is fun.

Secondly I don't want FD "shut down", I just want them to be honest with the playerbase.

Frontier is trying their best and that's honest. If they halt all future patches or Season 3 so they can completely rework the networking system or crime and punishment then they would be showing a disservice to the vast majority of their player base. That would potentially kill Elite Dangerous.

Thirdly, the fact that you consider any group of people "insignificant" sends a very clear message about the kind of person you are.

Me? You presume much. You have no idea where I stand. I'm pointing out every poll on this forum, which represents the people who are truly committed to this game, has shown PVP to be the topic of least interest with the vast majority of players.

Not the kind of person I want any form of interaction with, on or offline.

sniffle sniffle sniffle... FINE BY ME! ;)
 
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