An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

I agree perhaps it is time to split the PvP and PvE and have a true PvE open group rather than having to leave it to a private group to run PvE for Frontier then it will end a lot of these arguments,

I think you're missing the point somewhat... a good proportion of combat loggers are griefers themselves, going about clubbing sideys, n00bs etc.. this in itself would create some emergent gameplay with others trying to combat this, but no... they also combat log and continue to grief... the fact is combat logging is dragging this whole game down on a multitude of levels and stunting its possibilities.
 
Yes, think we all have known for some time now that their decision to go with a P2P implementation for player interaction -- while the most affordable and least expensive for FDev to maintain -- is coming back to haunt them in big ways. From the continuing problems with Wings and instancing to the ongoing problems with combat logging, they made a system with fundamental flaws that they are either unable or unwilling to fix. Issues that could have all been avoided with a proper dedicated server setup.

The reality may be that the only way to address these issues once and for all is a rewrite of some of the code and setup of dedicated servers to handle it. If so, I hope they are working on that quietly right now. Along with proper crime and punishment.

And multicrew is coming Soon(tm) :D
 
Oh, you mean the heat meta that Frontier had said 'we are addressing it' to before the SDC event started?......yeah, seems legit, but hey, forget that, "ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN.....CHOO CHOO"

Sssshh don't spoil their delusions of grandeur! They're saviours lol

This is all oddly reminiscent of the current argument over who should be the UK->USA ambassador
 
What they are doing is perfectly legitimate, it's the only way to make people listen it seems.

I would also like to point out that his work in handling a community is not to be underestimated, i am a retired moderator for another space game, i know what it is like. The ''mental gymnastics'' you are talking about is called higher level intellectual discourse.

As for dream world, with FD conceding and confirmed that we were right is starting to look like it's indeed perhaps you living there.

Combat logging is frowned upon by FD, as openly stated, this goes out to everyone and not just you.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ging”-Update?p=1642728&viewfull=1#post1642728

It's this simple, combat logging is against the rules.
http://puu.sh/srUDk/364b43be9b.png

Please take a moment to accept that this is a simple matter of fact. You can either openly oppose Frontier and their rules, or recognize that we do have a point, this isn't about griefing or SDC, this is about the rules. Combat logging is a violation and should be punishable.

It is clear to me that you only read what you want to read. Is there any point in this thread that I have defended combat logging? No I have not. Nor have I ever said that you were wrong, I said that your methods were damaging.
So you can't make a statement like this...
The ''mental gymnastics'' you are talking about is called higher level intellectual discourse.
when you clearly show none of the...
higher level intellectual discourse.
 
So to sum this up the way i see it.

SDC did their "investigation" and have some proof about it and thats why they called Frontier LIARS.

Frontier responded that from aaaalll those reports they are getting, they just missed those specific ones. Which basically makes them liars not only once, but twice.

Their lame responce was made on reddit and not on these "official" forums, which white knights didn't like at all.


I really don't know which side of the two are worse goooosh.

TL:DR

Fdevs missed those reports because they spend all day on reddit.
 
I think you're missing the point somewhat... a good proportion of combat loggers are griefers themselves, going about clubbing sideys, n00bs etc.. this in itself would create some emergent gameplay with others trying to combat this, but no... they also combat log and continue to grief... the fact is combat logging is dragging this whole game down on a multitude of levels and stunting its possibilities.

Then as Elite runs on a P2P network then perhaps the answer is to have a blocking tool built into the game client so if you are being griefed you just block that cmdr they soon be lonely when they login and see no one playing as everyone has blocked them
 
Are we on the same page here? I said accusations of lying. Keyword, accusations.
Threatening to go to the media is a threat. I don't see how you can point that part out, and not say it was a threat.

But then again, you are a Reddit moderator. Weird mental gymnastics are a common thing there. It's why I hate that place. Still visit it though.

I don't care what SDC wants. It's about the methods they use to get. I view this particular one as damaging. If you don't, fine, whatever. You can keep living in your dream world.

Right because delving into insults against me is the way to go
 
It is clear to me that you only read what you want to read. Is there any point in this thread that I have defended combat logging? No I have not. Nor have I ever said that you were wrong, I said that your methods were damaging.
So you can't make a statement like this...

when you clearly show none of the...

There is nothing damaging about any methods here. The issue is that you had tunnel vision about SDC agenda and griefers looking eagerly for a way to get to kill people again, which does nothing but detract from the core of the issue, which as a whole is much, much wider. I'll tell it like it is, the damage has been done by you.

Meanwhile, as news spreads that Frontier will indeed deal with Combat Loggers, Open Mode becomes more empty and desolate... :p

All such a thing would prove by happening is that Open was diseased by the leniency.
 
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When we get the level of "No, you smell!", is it time to call a Godwin? :p

People who don't want to get blown up by other people, shouldn't log into Open. I know I don't!
 
The issue is that you had tunnel vision about SDC agenda and griefers looking eagerly for a way to get to kill people again

Lol, and where have I said this?
I never said anything about what you do in game. Where are you getting this information?
 
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Right because delving into insults against me is the way to go

you have no power here but seem to think that stating you are a reddit mod changes something...... I would say that xdeaths response of
Weird mental gymnastics are a common thing there.
is a pretty accurate description of the section of the mos eisley of the internet !!!!

The OP was about not being told the truth .... well you dont have to stay and be "lied" too nobody is forcing you to continue playing a game that is created by a company that in your perception is lying to you

sorry if my response is blunt :(
 
Then as Elite runs on a P2P network then perhaps the answer is to have a blocking tool built into the game client so if you are being griefed you just block that cmdr they soon be lonely when they login and see no one playing as everyone has blocked them

This is what I'd love to see personally with known noob griefers auto blocked.

New players deserve a fair chance, not being forced to grind up to the griefers level just to play or being forced to play on their own - it really is the worst possible result.

The ensuing cries for solo/PG to be hobbled to force victims back just underlines how wrong this whole situation is. I can totally understand FDev just binning and ignoring CL complaints from SDC/PvP clan members, but I can't understand them allowing those groups to spoil the game for new players and drive them out of Open.
 
So was this said already in the previous xx pages? Does the OP want himself/herself and all the friends banned from the game? They should be banned because, well, they cheated repeatedly. :cool:
 
Right because delving into insults against me is the way to go
No it's not.

Have you read the OP?
Unfortunately, it is impossible to get Frontier to change policy or quit lying about their actions (with respect to exploiters and the community) without exposing their malfeasance for the players to see. We have tried many times through the appropriate channels to get Frontier to either take action or go public with their endorsement of exploiting, but they have lied and dodged every step of the way in order to placate the playerbase.
Starting off with: "it is impossible to get Frontier to change policy or quit lying about their actions" or "but they have lied and dodged every step of the way in order to placate the playerbase" doesn't shout: "Lets have an honest discussion about this" to me.

I am fortunate not to be a company so I don't have to worry about rubbing the people the wrong way, which is a handicap Zac has, so he has to be smooth. If I had been the subject of this, all response anyone, whether it be SDC or any other person or group, would have gotten would have been a two fingered salute and a tip of the hat.
 
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There is nothing damaging about any methods here. The issue is that you had tunnel vision about SDC agenda and griefers looking eagerly for a way to get to kill people again, which does nothing but detract from the core of the issue, which as a whole is much, much wider. I'll tell it like it is, the damage has been done by you.


i have to back xdeath here.

He is completely right. The way this agenda is driven is just bad. SDC never could have done something worse in game. It´s very dirty. Trumpy.

And there is one point you don´t seem to understand: Combat logging is mainly a reaction to another problem, which occured before: Getting attacked everywhere and everytime when possible, no matter if any reason behind it, out of proportion, 4 vs 1, seal clubbing..., you name it. Most of these actions are not punished properly by the game mechanics.

So, if anybody wants to change things, why not start from bottom up? If FD fix this they can look at CL. Not before.
 
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