we already discussed ducks and other anseriformes a few days ago. By fowl @yoav_r peobably meant galliformes
Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group
Some of my favorite groups let's go!
arthropods
Let's start with the one I don't care about. Dont think we need anymore arthropods. I'm not in the boat of hating exhibit animals But I would much rather get some small lizards over another spider.
monitors
I need more. What I think is essential is an Australian one. They are the largest Australian carnivore and I'm yet to go to a zoo in Australia that dosent have one. I thin the best option here is the perentie
Another aspect I think would be good is an aboreal monitor. If we were to just get one more monitor I'd pick the Lace monitor for being austrlian and aboreal. The crocodile monitor would also be a good choice, representing new guinea.
I assumee they won't get their own discussion and you said monitors and relations so I'm adding in the tegu here. A tegu pretty much covers everything people want in a new animals. It's from patagonia the least represented in game area. It isn't just another monitor and could be easier to make while still providing a new rig. It's aboreal like the previous ones I mentioned, covering that niche.
fowls
the only one I think we really need is the golden pheasant. Their a fairly common zoo animal that is colourful and woukd look appealing to the general player base. Definitkey wouldn't mind any other Pheasants but I think it's obvious that tge Golden pheasant is superior.
guinea fowls are demons that have kept me up at night but I would enjoy putting them in habitat with lions to see what happens (jokes aside they would be cool though). Also quail not essential but would be cool.
Edit: forgot that crabs ate arthropods. Defenitley Hermit crab for exhibit and coconut crab for habitat I would absolutely love both of those.
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Anthropods are exhibit animals aka not worth to be included in the game.
Monitor Lizards are pretty cool, we defenetly need an arboreal and an australian one. Luckily for us, the lance monitor is both arboreal and from australia, so win win. The crocodile monitor also would be pretty dope, being among the longest living lizards and the apex predator of new guinea with a decent captive population aswell, so one of these two would be imo essential, but other monitor lizards would be neat in general to get more habitat reptiles into the game.
Fowls are the real meat this time, as we need many and desperatly:
- Western Capercallie (Largest Grouse species, good bird representation for europe and northern asia)
- Australian Brush Turkey (Only Megapode with an international zoo presence larger then a single holding with 6, only animal on the list without 40+ holidings. Australian representative)
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Are 12 essential fowls a bit much? Maybe, but i simply choose one bird of each of the 9 not yet represented groups of land fowl, with 4 pheasents cause they are among the most common zoo animals and we really should be spoiled for choice there.
If i had to limit myself to 3, which is still way to little, id choose the golden pheasent for being the most common, the chukar partridge for its insane range across its subspecies and the california quail for its significantly smaller size and being a more interesting choice for american represntation then a turkey and more visually appealing (to me) then the great curassow, but really if it wasnt for the fact that its unrealistic to see every single one of them in the game i genuinly believe that all of them should be in the game and would completly negate the need for birds as we would have lots to choose from in all sizes, biomes and colors.
They might not be the most flashy, but they defenetly would be very usefull additions to flesh out the roster, just like waterfowl
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Just rememberd that the coconut crab exists and its a giant crab that would be a habitat animal and while not essential id defenetly is amongst the coolest and most unique animals to be added to the game
Monitor Lizards are pretty cool, we defenetly need an arboreal and an australian one. Luckily for us, the lance monitor is both arboreal and from australia, so win win. The crocodile monitor also would be pretty dope, being among the longest living lizards and the apex predator of new guinea with a decent captive population aswell, so one of these two would be imo essential, but other monitor lizards would be neat in general to get more habitat reptiles into the game.
Fowls are the real meat this time, as we need many and desperatly:
- Golden Pheasent (among the most common animals in captivity, yellow)
- Silver Pheasent (Also insanly common, white)
- Common Pheasent (Very common, gigantic range due to being among the oldest invasive species and having established large populations in both europe and north america, brown green)
- Satyr Tragopan (Most common Tragopan, very beautiful coloration and pattern)
- Domestic Chicken (Petting zoo staple and very iconic animal)
- Great Curassow (Central American mostly ground dwelling bird with strong gender dimorphism)
- Helmeted Guinea Fowl (African Savanah bird that would double as a domestic, both great for african villages and savanah enclosures)
- Chukar Partridge (very distinct looking ground bird from anatolia, the middle east and central asia with very similar looking subspecies all over central asia, northern africa, the middle east and europe, largest range and most common in zoos)
- A turkey (dc if domestic or wild, propaply north americas most iconic bird together with the bald eage)
- California Quail (Very distinct looking Quail, North America could really use some birds)
- Western Capercallie (Largest Grouse species, good bird representation for europe and northern asia)
- Australian Brush Turkey (Only Megapode with an international zoo presence larger then a single holding with 6, only animal on the list without 40+ holidings. Australian representative)
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Are 12 essential fowls a bit much? Maybe, but i simply choose one bird of each of the 9 not yet represented groups of land fowl, with 4 pheasents cause they are among the most common zoo animals and we really should be spoiled for choice there.
If i had to limit myself to 3, which is still way to little, id choose the golden pheasent for being the most common, the chukar partridge for its insane range across its subspecies and the california quail for its significantly smaller size and being a more interesting choice for american represntation then a turkey and more visually appealing (to me) then the great curassow, but really if it wasnt for the fact that its unrealistic to see every single one of them in the game i genuinly believe that all of them should be in the game and would completly negate the need for birds as we would have lots to choose from in all sizes, biomes and colors.
They might not be the most flashy, but they defenetly would be very usefull additions to flesh out the roster, just like waterfowl
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Just rememberd that the coconut crab exists and its a giant crab that would be a habitat animal and while not essential id defenetly is amongst the coolest and most unique animals to be added to the game
Kinda off topic here so I might make my own thread about it but what would people think of reptile house pack. It could include 1 small to medium sized croc like the Chinese Alligator. A small Tortoise like the Radiated or African Spurred. A species of river Turtle like the pig nosed and either a monitor lizard like the Lace monitor or a tegu. And finally we could have a chameleon for the exhibit. Would also be a great excuse to add a lot of new faux rocks and trees for our reptile houses. And it would cover most the remaining reptiles that people want.
Did you double post accidentally?
Yes wanted to quote but seemingly missclicked.
Just wanted to add that coconutcrabs are pretty cool and have my approval
Arthropods... we have enough.
Monitor lizards... we have enough.
Landfowl... yup, we need these! I have FOUR essentials: the golden pheasant (the most beautiful, imho), silver pheasant (perfect complement to the golden), common ringneck (iconic here in the US even though I think the species was introduced rather than native) and lady amherst's pheasant (just because one can't have too many colorful birds!)
Very desirable but not essential: satyr tragopan for its beauty, helmeted guineafowl to scurry around the habitats of larger animals, and a plain old gobble-gobble wild turkey.
Monitor lizards... we have enough.
Landfowl... yup, we need these! I have FOUR essentials: the golden pheasant (the most beautiful, imho), silver pheasant (perfect complement to the golden), common ringneck (iconic here in the US even though I think the species was introduced rather than native) and lady amherst's pheasant (just because one can't have too many colorful birds!)
Very desirable but not essential: satyr tragopan for its beauty, helmeted guineafowl to scurry around the habitats of larger animals, and a plain old gobble-gobble wild turkey.
Weird. I already got aviaries in my game. I just need something to put inside of them
Arthropods:
Again, the problems with the exhibit system (which, having learned more about the system, I don't think can be fixed unless Frontier wants to invest a lot of time and resources into it at the expense of habitat animals) make me hesitant to want anything here, even if there are some terrestrial and semi-aquatic crustaceans that could fit well in Planet Zoo with or without an aquarium expansion. The most obvious of these is the coconut crab, which is near the upper limit of what fits in the exhibit boxes but definitely wouldn't suffer from visibility issues. I wouldn't mind it as the exhibit animal in an islands pack, but I'd prefer a gecko or, you know, walkthrough birds.
Monitors:
I don't think anything is really needed here, though if we're considering easy clone animals, both the crocodile monitor and Asian water monitor fill roles as large Southeast Asian monitors that are very common in captivity and would definitely be visual improvements on the Nile monitor. The spiny-tailed monitor and green tree monitor are both small enough to work within the existing exhibit system, though they wouldn't be my first choices for new lizards.
Galliformes:
I think there are two essential fowl, with a few more being desirable. First is at least one species of Asian pheasant--preferably the golden pheasant, but strong alternate candidates include the silver pheasant and Lady Amherst's pheasant. The other is at least one species of guineafowl, and I think the helmeted guineafowl is the strongest and most versatile candidate, as a species that would add flair to mixed African herbivore habitats while, unlike other candidates like the vulturine guineafowl (which I would be happy to get as well) also working as a domestic species in children's zoos. Other interesting fowl I wouldn't be opposed to include the Temminck's tragopan and Himalayan monal of Asia's highlands, the great curassow of Central and South America, and the wild turkey of North America, as well as potential clones of the in-game peafowl like the Congo peafowl and the green peafowl. Finally, a full-sized domestic pack would have to include a domestic chicken (not too concerned about the breed). With how many of these animals are extremely common in captivity in Europe, North America, or both, it's really unfortunate that we only have one in the game when they could all easily function without aviaries.
Again, the problems with the exhibit system (which, having learned more about the system, I don't think can be fixed unless Frontier wants to invest a lot of time and resources into it at the expense of habitat animals) make me hesitant to want anything here, even if there are some terrestrial and semi-aquatic crustaceans that could fit well in Planet Zoo with or without an aquarium expansion. The most obvious of these is the coconut crab, which is near the upper limit of what fits in the exhibit boxes but definitely wouldn't suffer from visibility issues. I wouldn't mind it as the exhibit animal in an islands pack, but I'd prefer a gecko or, you know, walkthrough birds.
Monitors:
I don't think anything is really needed here, though if we're considering easy clone animals, both the crocodile monitor and Asian water monitor fill roles as large Southeast Asian monitors that are very common in captivity and would definitely be visual improvements on the Nile monitor. The spiny-tailed monitor and green tree monitor are both small enough to work within the existing exhibit system, though they wouldn't be my first choices for new lizards.
Galliformes:
I think there are two essential fowl, with a few more being desirable. First is at least one species of Asian pheasant--preferably the golden pheasant, but strong alternate candidates include the silver pheasant and Lady Amherst's pheasant. The other is at least one species of guineafowl, and I think the helmeted guineafowl is the strongest and most versatile candidate, as a species that would add flair to mixed African herbivore habitats while, unlike other candidates like the vulturine guineafowl (which I would be happy to get as well) also working as a domestic species in children's zoos. Other interesting fowl I wouldn't be opposed to include the Temminck's tragopan and Himalayan monal of Asia's highlands, the great curassow of Central and South America, and the wild turkey of North America, as well as potential clones of the in-game peafowl like the Congo peafowl and the green peafowl. Finally, a full-sized domestic pack would have to include a domestic chicken (not too concerned about the breed). With how many of these animals are extremely common in captivity in Europe, North America, or both, it's really unfortunate that we only have one in the game when they could all easily function without aviaries.
Fowls: Like with anseriformes there's a huge variety of galliformes that would be great additions to the game, although at least in their case we have a species in-game (and easily the most important one to boot). When it comes to absolute essentials though, the main species I would single out would be one or more Asian pheasant species - golden pheasant, Lady Amherst's pheasant and/or silver pheasant - as well as the helmeted guineafowl. All of these species are extremely common in captivity, versatile in use and are among the most iconic of fowl species.
However, moving beyond essentials to strong wants, there are still several other species to consider. A curassow, preferably the great curassow, would serve well as a galliform representative for the Neotropics, a biogeographic realm that is still entirely lacking in birds in general and would be greatly enriched by such a spectacular species. In a similar fashion, my most wanted species from the Philippines, which currently has no endemic species in the game, would be the Palawan peacock-pheasant, another stunning but underappreciated fowl species. Moving more locally, I'd also really love some form of megapode to represent the unique fowl radiation of Oceania, and my most wanted species from this family would be the malleefowl. This species is an icon of the semi-arid woodlands after which it is named, mallee scrub, and is kept in most of my local zoos. I'm especially keen for them after being lucky enough to spot one of the elusive and threatened birds in the wild for the first time earlier this year. However, being only kept in Australia, I'd say they're far from essential from an objective point of view and I'd be one of the few people singing their praises if they were added. Other great options for megapodes include the aforementioned Australian brush turkey and the maleo of Sulawesi.
Palawan peacock-pheasant and malleefowl
Anguimorphs: An Australian monitor is the only species from this category I'd consider essential. My personal favourite reptile is the perentie, so I'd be absolutely stoked with them, but given they're uncommon in captivity compared to many other species, especially on an international scale, they may not be the best option - that said, I'd say they're a very important species for rounding out the deserts of central Australia. The best alternative would be the equally desirable lace monitor, which would also give us a bonus as our first arboreal habitat lizard. Other Australian species like the sand goanna, yellow-spotted monitor or Mertens' water monitor would also be great, but are significantly less likely. While less important, as a bit of a varanid fanboy, I'd also like to give a shoutout to various species from elsewhere in the world, notably the tree-loving crocodile monitor of New Guinea, the frugivorous Gray's monitor of the Philippines and the giant Asian water monitor that is widespread throughout south-east Asia. If exhibit varanids became a thing, then the spiny-tailed monitor, Kimberley rock monitor and emerald tree monitor would be highly desirable too. I could talk about monitors all day so best I stop here lol.
Mertens' water monitor and Kimberley rock monitor
When it comes to other anguimorphs, the one species that really stands out to me is the sheltopusik, which is my most wanted exhibit animal from Europe as well as one of my most wanted reptiles in general. We don't have any legless lizards in the game yet and so this species, the largest of them all, would be a great addition. I've noticed a lot of other people are listing teiids like tegus and caiman lizards here, but those aren't anguimorphs.
Arthropods: Never been the biggest arthropod fan so I can't say there are any species I'm desperate for here. I'm pretty satisfied with what we have but wouldn't be opposed to more species as long as they came after more essential exhibit box animals like chameleons, geckos and cobras.
Arthropods:
Any colorful crab species would be nice but not necessary.
Monitors:
Perentie and Argentinian tegu are essential for me and yes I’m aware tegus are not monitors.
Galliformes:
I consider all species listed below as essential:
1. Great argus
2. Reeves pheasant
3. Any Guinea fowl
4. Any wild Turkey or Currasow
5. Maleo
Any colorful crab species would be nice but not necessary.
Monitors:
Perentie and Argentinian tegu are essential for me and yes I’m aware tegus are not monitors.
Galliformes:
I consider all species listed below as essential:
1. Great argus
2. Reeves pheasant
3. Any Guinea fowl
4. Any wild Turkey or Currasow
5. Maleo
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Well, none of them are essential or desperately needed for me
For fowls, I wouldn't mind the helmet Guinea fowl, but I can live without them.
For lizards, I wouldn't mind getting an Australian one like the perentie for a desert biome lizard. The Argentine black and white tegu wouldn't upset me either (but I don't know if it would be better as an exhibit like the Gila monster. With these reptiles I always have doubts lol).
For arthropods, like for insects, I don't need more of them as long as they have to be kept in a huge box bigger than my house. I rather have other reptiles and amphibians as exhibit animals instead.
Fowls: I would really like to get the golden pheasant (or any other Asian pheasant species) and the helmeted guineafowl. I'm not sure they are essential but they are close to it.
Monitors: I don't need more.
Arthropods: I would not say no to a crab species but it's far from essential. And that's it. If we get more exhibit animals (which I hope), I would prefer a chameleon, a gecko or other lizards/snakes before more arthropods.
Monitors: I don't need more.
Arthropods: I would not say no to a crab species but it's far from essential. And that's it. If we get more exhibit animals (which I hope), I would prefer a chameleon, a gecko or other lizards/snakes before more arthropods.
I just reread the post and I realized you specifically asked for no insects, so ignore my entire Arthropods post.
I just cost myself 15 minutes of my life, and I will collect
The insect discussion was two discussions ago. You can just put it there.
Hey yoav, can I eddit my post to add more animals? For some reason, when I was skimming through the wikipedia page of Anguiformes I did not see Anguidae which included the Scheltopusik and Mexican alligator lizard.
Sure
Finally, the main post is fully updated. There's still a day to respond to the ongoing fowl discussion.
On a different note, this thread is coming to a conclusion soon. The following groups are what I have left marked for future discussions (there are 3 left after this):
*Insectivora has been abandoned as it was discovered to be taxonomically incorrect, but will be used for the simplification of discussion
On a different note, this thread is coming to a conclusion soon. The following groups are what I have left marked for future discussions (there are 3 left after this):
- Insectivora (hedghehogs, tenrecs, shrews, and relatives)*
- Old-world monkeys
- Pelecaniformes (pelicans, ibises and relatives)
- Snails
- Storks
- Caecelians
- The remaining lizards and reptiles
*Insectivora has been abandoned as it was discovered to be taxonomically incorrect, but will be used for the simplification of discussion
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I'm not sure if tree screws and elephant screws are apart of insectivora because their list as their whole own seperate groups but correct me if not. Also did we do one on prosimieans I could be misremebering but I feel like we didn't.