Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group

Meanwhile for the final discussion: oddballs!!

What are oddballs? Any animal that fits current game mechanics but the majority of its taxonomical group doesn't/it somehiw wasn't discussed until now.

Here are the ones I thought about:
  • Ground hornbill
  • Kakapo
  • Mudskipper
  • Secretary bird
  • Tuatara

Feel free to add more suggestions if you have any
The secretary bird (personal favorite animal of mine, see avatar) feels essential despite not being particularly common in captivity in North America--it's just that unique and charismatic of an animal. I'm also really keen on getting a southern ground hornbill, another favorite of mine and one of the iconic birds of Kruger National Park. A third arguably essential species is the Victoria crowned pigeon, which dwells primarily on the ground much like certain extinct pigeons (though it is a perfectly adept flyer). For two less essential species that would still be nice to see, the New World equivalent to both is the ground-dwelling falcon relative the red-legged seriema. And for one more bird, I'd like to bring up the wading South American sunbittern, a staple of tropical houses.
 
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Secretary bird and ground hornbill would awesome. I'd really like to see them for some for some more terrestrial birds.

But HOL UP. Mudskipper! I never even fathomed them as a possibility. They would actually be the perfect exhibit animal. I'd probably love just watching them like i do with scarab beetle (my favorite exhibit animal). Great inclusion 10/10.
 
And here we are in the last conventional discussion!

Discussion #15: Old world monkeys, Insectivora*, skinks and true lizards, Caecelians

What we have:

Old world monkeys:
  1. Japanese Macaque
  2. Mandrill
  3. Proboscis monkey

Insectivora*:
None

Skinks and true lizards (Lacertoidae):
  1. Eastern blue-tongued lizard

Caecelians:
None

Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.

*Insectivora has been retired as a taxonomic group, but for the simplification of discussion we'll discuss all its former sub-groups together, which include: hedgehogs, shrews, moles, tenrecs, elephant-shrews, tree-shrews, colugos plus a few others
Old World monkeys: YES! Please more of them. Although, my opinion is similar to ohers.
1. My biggest necessity is still a colobus monkey species, the mantled colobus specially as it is often kept with gorillas, pygmy hippos, guenonos and can also be kept in walk-through habitats (see here) and they are definitley the species kept by most institutions. Even so, I haven't seen anyone mentioning alternatives.
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The Angolan colobus is listed as vulnerable by the IUCN, compared to the mantled, it occurs further in the South, which includes the Congo basin. It is also kept commonly in AZA zoos and a bit rarer in European institutions.

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The second alternative is the king colobus, a endangered species from the West African Guinea forest, a region which has very little representation in the game right now.

2. The second necessity is a "baboon" and to be honest, I don't care if a true baboon or not. My preference would be a Gelada or a Hamadryas baboon, they both have strong points for being included.

3. A second macaque would also be cool, but not necessary. I personally also would add the lion-tailed macaque due to its Indian distribution or a crab-eating macaque, as it is really widespread throughout SEA. Barbary macaque and crested macaque got low on my wishlist, but would by no means be bad inclusions.

4. A guenon is another category I really want to be filled. I personally would go for a Roloway or Diana guenon, but I wouldn't be opposed to any other species.

5. Another langur is personally very low on my list. This niche is nicely occupied by the proboscis monkey, even not having a real presence outside of Asia. But if we get another one, I hope it's gonna be the Javan langur.


Insectivora: I can just see 3 species which would make sense, the tailess tenrec, the rufous sengi a hedgehog species. And none of them is really high on my list, but I wouldn't mind them.

Skinks and true lizards: my favourite species of lizard is the Solomon islands skin, due to its unique social behavior, but as we probably wouldn't see any of it in the game, I wouldn't say it's anything necessary.

Caecelians: I also wouldn't be against the inclusion of the Rio Caucan cecilian, as it has a decent presence in European zoos and is being bred on a regular basis. But I wouldn't argue for it to being included.
Meanwhile for the final discussion: oddballs!!

What are oddballs? Any animal that fits current game mechanics but the majority of its taxonomical group doesn't/it somehiw wasn't discussed until now.

Here are the ones I thought about:
  • Ground hornbill
  • Kakapo
  • Mudskipper
  • Secretary bird
  • Tuatara

Feel free to add more suggestions if you have any
I strongly advocate for the secretary bird, even tought I honestly would prefer the red-legged seriema, but as I belive that the secretary has a bigger chance, I would be totally fine with it.
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Mudskippers, tuatara and ground hornbills would be nice, tough.
 
What are oddballs? Any animal that fits current game mechanics but the majority of its taxonomical group doesn't/it somehiw wasn't discussed until now.
As I previously said, if a handful of open air enclosures warrant ibises, pheasants, curassows, and megapodes (with the latter three not having any open top habitats to my knowledge) being habitat animals then vultures and other birds of prey definitely fit the bill with regards to the mechanics of PZ. Therefore I do not consider secretary birds as an oddball choice.
 
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Meanwhile for the final discussion: oddballs!!

What are oddballs? Any animal that fits current game mechanics but the majority of its taxonomical group doesn't/it somehiw wasn't discussed until now.

Here are the ones I thought about:
  • Ground hornbill
  • Kakapo
  • Mudskipper
  • Secretary bird
  • Tuatara

Feel free to add more suggestions if you have any
Souther Ground Hornbill and the Secretary Bird would give us some more unique looking habitat birds that are also common in zoos.
Victoria Crowned and/or the Nicobar pidgeon are also quite essential as some of the most common free roaming birds in tropical houses and striking colors. Both would be amazing to have.
 
Meanwhile for the final discussion: oddballs!!

What are oddballs? Any animal that fits current game mechanics but the majority of its taxonomical group doesn't/it somehiw wasn't discussed until now.

Here are the ones I thought about:
  • Ground hornbill
  • Kakapo
  • Mudskipper
  • Secretary bird
  • Tuatara

Feel free to add more suggestions if you have any
I'm mudskipping this one
 
The unique and beautiful secretary bird is an essential, and ground hornbill (the kind in Kruger NP) would be very nice!
 
I'm gonna say like everybody else: the secretary bird and a ground hornbill sound essential. For the ground hornbill, I would prefer the abyssinian ground hornbill. But would be OK with the southern as well.
 
Y'all are sleeping on the tuatara. I consider it essential to new zealand.
I did mention it, but in a previous category, so I clearly got it wrong back then 😂

The Philippines sailfin lizard could be a great addition for Asia, which is lacking in exhibit animals. The frilled necked lizard from Australia is also an interesting option. I'm not sure if it belongs to this discussion, but tuatara is also good.
 
Y'all are sleeping on the tuatara. I consider it essential to new zealand.
Agreed, it’s one of my top 5 most wanted reptiles and that’s really saying something as a herp lover. Not only does it provide great representation for one of the few regions of the globe that still totally lacks animals in-game, but it’d also be a huge boost in regards to taxonomic representation as the only living member of the fourth order of reptiles, Rhynchocephalia. New Zealand fauna may be rare internationally (even here in Australia, where the tuatara is one of the few species kept), but I think it’s important that all parts of the world get at least some representation.

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Agreed, it’s one of my top 5 most wanted reptiles and that’s really saying something as a herp lover. Not only does it provide great representation for one of the few regions of the globe that still totally lacks animals in-game, but it’d also be a huge boost in regards to taxonomic representation as the only living member of the fourth order of reptiles, Rhynchocephalia. New Zealand fauna may be rare internationally (even here in Australia, where the tuatara is one of the few species kept), but I think it’s important that all parts of the world get at least some representation.

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Exactly my thoughts. It would both complete the reptoles and give NZ the small representation it deserves. @NZFanatic what do you think?
 
I wish they wernt exhibit locked though.
If we are talking about new zealand representation, animals like the kuneku pig, ouessant sheep, keas, shoveler duck or the paradise duck would all add animals iconic to new zealand, while still being generally usefull, which imo is much more important then getting a taxonmically unique lizard in the 4x4x4 cubes.
Even just speaking exhibit animals, Kea in the WE are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the tuatara in what they would actually add to the game
 
I wish they wernt exhibit locked though.
If we are talking about new zealand representation, animals like the kuneku pig, ouessant sheep, keas, shoveler duck or the paradise duck would all add animals iconic to new zealand, while still being generally usefull, which imo is much more important then getting a taxonmically unique lizard in the 4x4x4 cubes.
Even just speaking exhibit animals, Kea in the WE are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the tuatara in what they would actually add to the game
Let's agree to disagree about the exhibits. I get that you don't like them, but you don't have to be so dismissive towards then in every discussion. I and many others love them even if I'd rather they were more customizeable.
 
Also another oddball for your consideration: koi fish as a WE.

Maybe it's just the hour here, but koi fish are very very often used as scenery in ponds in zoos rather than proper animals, so how would you feel about a pre-made somewhat customizeable exhibit for koi fish in the style of the butterflies?
 
Just jumping in late out of pure joy at how many people want the lion-tailed macaque. This visually unique and stunning, ecologically and behaviorally complex, highly endangered and conservation-dependent primate is my subjective #1 want so love to see the love for it here.

Being objective about the limited roster slots, I think two OW monkeys are an absolute essential. One would be a non-forest baboon - hamadryas seems to be in the lead for its look, zoo popularity and geographic range, which I second, even though my subjective pick would be gelada. One of the two, for sure.

The other is an Indian monkey, any Indian monkey - of all the monkey-iconic regions of the Old World, the Indian subcontinent is the biggest gap after the Amazon IMO. More so than mainland Southeast Asia (usually lumped with the islands in zoo collections, from which we have two species); Central Africa (a colobus would be my #3 OW monkey, but we at least have mandrill and many apes); and Madagascar.

Objectively, the Hanuman langur or another grey langur might be the best bet to fit the urban and temple vibes of the Indian build set, mix with peafowl, etc. My choice remains the lion-tailed macaque because I think zoo collections take a broad enough view of geography for us to prioritize the LTM's advantages.

I understand arguments for the other macaques, but I'm not personally keen on the Barbary because I think India is a bigger primate gap than Europe/Northwest Africa, and the LTM is much more different (visually and ecologically) than the Barbary from our existing macaque species (Japanese). Sulawesi macaque is very cool and lives in a unique bit of Southeast Asia but, again, I think the non-island portion of tropical Asia is in more monkey need. Golden snub-nosed monkey is a nice choice but LTM has a lot of the same upsides for me, magnified.
 
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