Aren’t there any PGs dedicated to AX combat? Genuine question, I don’t do AX combat ..
Another solution to ganker problem
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Probably the AX oriented discords should have some, but i'm not aware of any popular AX PG like the old mobius used to be (or like fleetcom)
So the most simple approach is open, spamming chat (where is the action) and going there
Yes there are.
But by the nature of less concentrated hot spots (most of the time there are more systems for AX combat than CGs, and more locations in system, for example),
getting ganked in AX is even more rare than getting ganked at engineers or CG systems. Add to that that AX vessels are extremely durable, albeit not able to shoot back very well against gankers, makes them less than ideal ganking targets. And on top of that, if the AX pilot does his homework - waking out, situational awareness - makes it even less
prone to ganks. So this apparent fear of ganks which is postulated here is, let's say, not well grounded in the reality of the game
When I did AX combat in open last year, we had those situations. Ganker appeared, half the nobodys which never met before switched to their combat FdLs and tried
to hunt down the ganker. Didn't work in my case because instancing, but it happens. Granted, ganking AX pilots happens, too, but I personally never got ganked while doing
AX combat. The one time I would've gotten ganked the ganker spared me due to excellent roleplay and trying to bring me to the light, so to say (bless you truffle
)Yea, except for those statements from DBOBE that were very clear against griefing
Other then that, yea - the PVP in Elite is not aimed at you, the PVP-er, gaining something through PVP
Nope, it is aimed at making your opponent lose something.
And this is a direct incentivization of griefing
So this apparent fear of ganks which is postulated here is, let's say, not well grounded in the reality of the game
Maybe not for the generic AX fighting.
But when we do have an AX CG, with the new AX CZ... lots of people come to fight in open, and this invariably means gankers.
And i could point out that my first rebuy screens from ganks happened while i was flying Challengers sporting cold builds in the latest AX CG, in an AX CZ - my ship being engaged in the interceptor combat and already damaged.
While the gankers were specifically outfitted with emissive turrets to negate the coldbuilds
AX CG is obviously different from normal AX, sure. Lots more gankers.Maybe not for the generic AX fighting.
But when we do have an AX CG, with the new AX CZ... lots of people come to fight in open, and this invariably means gankers.
And i could point out that my first rebuy screens from ganks happened while i was flying Challengers sporting cold builds in the latest AX CG, in an AX CZ - my ship being engaged in the interceptor combat and already damaged.
While the gankers were specifically outfitted with emissive turrets to negate the coldbuilds
This thread succinctly illustrates that there isn't a "Ganker problem."
It's laughable that so many folks think PVP in this game is only ganking.
Weekly organized Battle Royales and multiple ranked tournaments every year most definitely prove otherwise.
There's a whole host of cmdr's who simply don't want to invest in the engineering and skillsets necessary to fly competently against other actual cmdr's.
Although there's multiple game modes, private groups, and what have you in order to avoid being on the wrong end of a PVP encounter these cmdr's instead choose to fly in open, knowing the potential risks, and then come onto this forum whinging about how open should be neutered like PG's and Solo.
Totally irrational behavior driven by unreasonably selfish immaturity.
This community has changed so much in the last 6+ years. It used to be cmdr's took the time to learn to fly and engineer correctly.
Now it seems that everyone just wants a participation prize, grinding up an Anaconda in a week, a Corvette the next, and that they want the one mode of the game where anything goes forced to conform to their style of passivist unskilled "gameplay," regardless of the fact they have specific choices dedicated to being able to completely avoid an environment they've willingly chosen to be unprepared for even though they're advised and shown how its quite simple to survive in open.
What this thread does illustrate is there's a "Carebear," problem in this game.
It's laughable that so many folks think PVP in this game is only ganking.
Weekly organized Battle Royales and multiple ranked tournaments every year most definitely prove otherwise.
There's a whole host of cmdr's who simply don't want to invest in the engineering and skillsets necessary to fly competently against other actual cmdr's.
Although there's multiple game modes, private groups, and what have you in order to avoid being on the wrong end of a PVP encounter these cmdr's instead choose to fly in open, knowing the potential risks, and then come onto this forum whinging about how open should be neutered like PG's and Solo.
Totally irrational behavior driven by unreasonably selfish immaturity.
This community has changed so much in the last 6+ years. It used to be cmdr's took the time to learn to fly and engineer correctly.
Now it seems that everyone just wants a participation prize, grinding up an Anaconda in a week, a Corvette the next, and that they want the one mode of the game where anything goes forced to conform to their style of passivist unskilled "gameplay," regardless of the fact they have specific choices dedicated to being able to completely avoid an environment they've willingly chosen to be unprepared for even though they're advised and shown how its quite simple to survive in open.
What this thread does illustrate is there's a "Carebear," problem in this game.
Robert Maynard
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Is it a surprise that players, who bought a game where other players (and therefore PvP) are an optional extra, might have no interest in engaging / being engaged in combat with those other players?
It's also a game where three Elite ranks don't require the player to fire a shot - so there will be be players with no particular interest in combat in general.
Has it really? Not all players tolerated / enjoyed PvP six years ago either. Six years ago was around the time of the "git gud or go Solo / Mobius" responses to the OP of threads complaining about unwanted player interactions. It seems that players took that advice - just not in the way that the PvP proponents wanted them to.
"Gittin' gud" ehough to engage in PvP is not an aspirational goal of all players, whereas "getting good enough to enjoy ones preferred gameplay that may well not include other players" likely is.
From the perspective of those whose playstyle they don't enjoy and who they don't need to play among, maybe....
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No, it indicates that there is a desire for an open PvE mode so that CMDRs can play and meet cooperatively.
Steve
That's called a PG. Organize it, invite who you want. It's YOU and others like you who won't avail yourselves of the already existing options created to cater to exactly what you want.
Of course one of the most biased "volunteer mods," on this forum liked your post.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Private Groups are PvP-enabled, just like Open, so PvE Private Groups rely on trust that players won't engage in PvP when playing in the PG. Needless to say that some players have proven incapable of abiding by rules of particular PvE PGs and have engaged in PvP when playing in the PG.
Private Group are also limited to 20,000 members - which is pitifully small in relation to the over 12M copies of the game out there, as not all players still play the game nor are those active players online at the same time - which means that there may be relatively few of the 20,000 members active in a limit PG.
No matter how big these threads get (yep folks still try to make new ones) the overriding theme is still that its the Open/Pvpers that are unhappy.
Mainly because they see it that only they are allowed to effect the game, not the rest of us.
Those of us in Solo/PG are more than happy with the current state.
Long may it and this thread continue
Anyone got a full Bingo card yet?
O7
Mainly because they see it that only they are allowed to effect the game, not the rest of us.
Those of us in Solo/PG are more than happy with the current state.
Long may it and this thread continue
Anyone got a full Bingo card yet?
O7
Give me an Open PVE mode and ill wet myselfAt this point I'm for a PvE mode just to see the weekly complains switch from wahh ganking to wahh insert griefing method of the day like starport ramming just for that. The only players that would really lose something would be the gankers
O7
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
There is that....
It'd be a start though.I'm sure that someone would feel sorry for them.The only players that would really lose something would be the gankers
No one is saying that. The fact that you are shows us just how tone deaf and biased you are to the conversation, pretty much pointing out that you are one of the gankers. When you use the word "carebear" to describe people the like challenging and fair PvP, also shows your true colors. You'll pretty much use any excuse to make yourself feel good about killing people you know can't fight back. It's just what your type do.
Sorry, I thought people reading my comment and understanding what type of games I was referring too. My bad.
You can't have ganking in 100% PvP games like FPS, why would you even bring that into the conversation?
The 3.8 is the PvP-friendly version of the game.