I feel like I'm in the audience of a Maury Povich show. "Liquid Lunch, here is the man who so royally offed you as you went about your business. He's here right now, right in front of you, do you have anything to say to him?"
Attacked by another player entering a starport
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You can't post things like that whilst I'm having a swig of ale.. Think of my monitor and keyboard!
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What happened to you, internet person? That's real dark.
I don't think it was him. But if it was then I would be honor bound to challenge him to a duel..
It's a free-for-all. It's always been a free-for-all. That's what Frontier built.
Who the hell knows what they intended at the time? naive pistols at dawn probably because they were in the full glow of getting
Open is free-for-all. Some days you are the bug. Some, you are the windscreen. No-one ever said they wanted to be the bug. Well, apart from accepting the ToS which essentially means you agree with the terms. Even if you don't.
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The op has flicked the dust off and gotten back up again; this is a really good spirit.
Frontier, this is exactly why whe need a flipping official PVE mode. Ugh.
Anyway, @OP: Check out this thread here. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...r-the-PC-PS4-XBOX-with-over-40-000-Commanders
It's the unofficial-official PvE server. It's a little complicated, because there's so many players using it that it requires multiple player groups to work (Hint Hint Fdevs), but it's still quite easy to join and is generally entirely free of the idiots who ruin Open through gimmicks just like this.
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This was my experience. I got fed up with a wanted NPC stalkerconda once and opened fire in the nofire zone, and took him out and just got a fine.
For my part I didn't advise that he go there because it wasn't clear that he was giving up on his dreams of some day becoming an elite pilot, but that's just me
I like the part when people have fun in Open and then Mobius lovers still pimp their little private group anyway. It's just adorbs.
Because the commander said they didn't want to opt out? Personally, the OP seems to be pretty level headed. I'd fly with them any day.
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Official PVE means no interaction with other commanders will be possible; PG's with no-fight rules work because the rest of the interaction is permitted. An official PVE cannot offer that, because it has to remove all possible negative actions; and so like every other MMO before them, it'd have to ghost ships; because this is the only way to 100% ensure PVE only. The fact people cannot comprehend this, yet demand the thing anyway, I find pretty hilarious and a bit endearing to be fair. You don't even know what you're asking for.
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McDonalds is a burger place but they also sell other things.
Just because Open is the mode where you should be ready for free-for-all gameplay, doesn't mean that is why you should go there.
There's info and misinfo in this thread about the rules around stations.
Let me try to spell some stuff out. You have to take into account system, wanted and Powerplay ('PP') status.
Any firing inside the mailslot is death, under any circumstances. (Except that SLF were allowed, at least in Anarchies, but I think that was patched.)
Firing weapons (without hitting) outside the mailslot but inside the no fire zone ('NFZ') is just a fine.
You will be fined, but will incur no bounty, hence will NOT be attacked by the station/cops for:
- Firing weapons inside NFZ, if nothing is hit
- Shooting/killing a Wanted NPC or Cmdr, inside NFZ
- If ('if') you are pledged to the PP controlling faction of the system, shooting/killing any PP Hostile, even if Clean. (Example: I am pledged to Hudson. If I saw an Alliance Cmdr, clean, in Nanomam, Hudson's HQ, I could blow him up right in front of station.)
- Shooting/killing anyone outside mailslot in Anarchy
EXCEPT that you WILL be attacked by station/cops if:
- Any of your fire whatever touches the station itself or any of its NPC faction members. Frags and missiles can do this half a galaxy away. Anarchy no exception. (Example: Cmdr attempts to kill Cmdr in Anarchy. Blocks mailslot and fires volley of four frags away from station. One slug touches shield of NPC T-6 aligned to station faction. Station instantly becomes hostile...)
- As above but with any Clean in policed space. Basically stray fire is a no-no.
Putting the above together, various surprise tactics are available:
- Pledging to the PP controlling faction offers opportunist attack potential against PP pledgers. Personally as an (almost) three year Fed I think a longer cooldown should be imposed on faction surfing but it's there for now
- Using long range weapons from outside NFZ is a key attack tactic.
- Above combined with a clean buddy of attacker is classic trap: clean buddy shoots, deliberately missing, while long range attacker hits; victim thinks clean buddy is aggressor, shoots him and dies
- Above combined with Eagle ram also very potent: victim increases speed above 100 mps in response to aggression, rammed by 1% Eagle leaving mailslot, station kills as murderer
Weapons such as RC torps and force shell cannons can impede and/or panic a docking ship. Large ships can legally cause considerable damage with <100 mps rams. Ships can be pushed around by rams and force shell. Ships can be bumped from beneath speed limit to above it just before being Eagle rammed.
By reason of all the above the only truly safe response to aggression near a station is to do nothing except slowly to dock as normal, well beneath 100 mps. Whether this is achievable will depend upon strength of ship defences and ability to get past 'bumper cars'.
Let me try to spell some stuff out. You have to take into account system, wanted and Powerplay ('PP') status.
Any firing inside the mailslot is death, under any circumstances. (Except that SLF were allowed, at least in Anarchies, but I think that was patched.)
Firing weapons (without hitting) outside the mailslot but inside the no fire zone ('NFZ') is just a fine.
You will be fined, but will incur no bounty, hence will NOT be attacked by the station/cops for:
- Firing weapons inside NFZ, if nothing is hit
- Shooting/killing a Wanted NPC or Cmdr, inside NFZ
- If ('if') you are pledged to the PP controlling faction of the system, shooting/killing any PP Hostile, even if Clean. (Example: I am pledged to Hudson. If I saw an Alliance Cmdr, clean, in Nanomam, Hudson's HQ, I could blow him up right in front of station.)
- Shooting/killing anyone outside mailslot in Anarchy
EXCEPT that you WILL be attacked by station/cops if:
- Any of your fire whatever touches the station itself or any of its NPC faction members. Frags and missiles can do this half a galaxy away. Anarchy no exception. (Example: Cmdr attempts to kill Cmdr in Anarchy. Blocks mailslot and fires volley of four frags away from station. One slug touches shield of NPC T-6 aligned to station faction. Station instantly becomes hostile...)
- As above but with any Clean in policed space. Basically stray fire is a no-no.
Putting the above together, various surprise tactics are available:
- Pledging to the PP controlling faction offers opportunist attack potential against PP pledgers. Personally as an (almost) three year Fed I think a longer cooldown should be imposed on faction surfing but it's there for now
- Using long range weapons from outside NFZ is a key attack tactic.
- Above combined with a clean buddy of attacker is classic trap: clean buddy shoots, deliberately missing, while long range attacker hits; victim thinks clean buddy is aggressor, shoots him and dies
- Above combined with Eagle ram also very potent: victim increases speed above 100 mps in response to aggression, rammed by 1% Eagle leaving mailslot, station kills as murderer
Weapons such as RC torps and force shell cannons can impede and/or panic a docking ship. Large ships can legally cause considerable damage with <100 mps rams. Ships can be pushed around by rams and force shell. Ships can be bumped from beneath speed limit to above it just before being Eagle rammed.
By reason of all the above the only truly safe response to aggression near a station is to do nothing except slowly to dock as normal, well beneath 100 mps. Whether this is achievable will depend upon strength of ship defences and ability to get past 'bumper cars'.
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I don't mind giving Harry his due. If he says it was him, it was, he is unlikely to have made that mistake. You were killed by THE most famous player killer in the game. I'd say grats, tbh.
Indeed. Their coffee isn't awful, for example. At least here. But being shot at in open, isn't "other things". It's part of the menu. The developer knows this isn't to everyone's taste, so like McCafe, they've added an option to have a different experience.
Quite; people may elect open for all manner of reasons; but much like stepping out your front door, you may not be in control of every scenario, and that's by design. That entire statement, however, is Hotel California; let's not.
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Darnit. Can't rep you again.
Your best option is usually to simply ignore it and continue docking... Once you're past the slot and behind the station walls, you are safe. It's not easy to stay calm when being attacked, but it does the trick. Always havin 4 pips to shields helps, too.
This. It's intuitive, once you've done it a few times to realise it's intuitive. Oh.
But yes, sage advice; rep'd.
No let's not, my comment is specifically about the nature of Open.
Insisting that Open is a Griefhole by design is self-fulfilling and that is all it will ever be.
If the only people who go there are those who like it that way, then it will never achieve its potential.
I won't argue whether ED is an MMO, but blocking absolutely does have a place in ED as far as I'm concerned.
I have a clear idea of the kind of game I want to experience. I want immersion; I want to feel like a space pilot in a realistic setting. If anyone else is being an idiot by shooting without reason, ramming, spouting obscenities in chat, blocking slot, blocking pad, etc., then I don't want to instance with them. This is not primarily about safety as some would suggest; it's about playing only with other proper space pilots. Blocking silly people increases my enjoyment of the game.
Having said that, I don't use the feature a lot as it's easier to just play in Mobius. I also refrain from blocking if there's any chance that the other player's actions have a proper in-game reason. There's only one player on my block list at the moment.