It's happening to ALD this week now too. Some anonymous force with huge hauling power is prepping a loss expansion and outvoting consolidation.
Automation and Scripting - An investigation into further abuses of BGS and Powerplay
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It's happening to ALD this week now too. Some anonymous force with huge hauling power is prepping a loss expansion and outvoting consolidation.
I dont know if i'd jump to conclusions that something is being done by a bot because of a swing in powerplay. There are very few players that still actively do powerplay to a serious level. Depending on the power in question, 1-4 determined people with nothing else to do but play the game can really cause problems. Especially when everyone has billions of credits these days and jump ranges that can exceed 40ly fully laden and what not. Very easy to hijack powerplay ....especially if you can keep your activity secret until the last few minutes of the cycle.
I mean, it wasn't hard to do that back when powerplay was new. It's much easier to do it now.
I mean, it wasn't hard to do that back when powerplay was new. It's much easier to do it now.
Not sure if its been mentioned as I may have missed it but... Some of the bot play could be used to simply rank farm for a normal player. Pick some back water nobody goes there pair of systems...
Trade A to system X and B to system Y.... repeat and Elite trader several hours later, not to mention a healthy bank balance.
Set that sort of play to just dealing with say Fed or Imp factions and you are in your Cutter etc and a few quid better off, before you know.
The whole thing seems to be exactly the same as the continued war between Virus and Malware writers and the AV software writers.
A total war of Attrition.
Trade A to system X and B to system Y.... repeat and Elite trader several hours later, not to mention a healthy bank balance.
Set that sort of play to just dealing with say Fed or Imp factions and you are in your Cutter etc and a few quid better off, before you know.
The whole thing seems to be exactly the same as the continued war between Virus and Malware writers and the AV software writers.
A total war of Attrition.
https://player.twitch.tv/?video=v323512876&player=facebook&autoplay=true
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Lave Radio discussion on bots
1h25m
Lave Radio discussion on bots
Does multiboxing even count as cheating when FD have added game mechanics that directly incentivise it? I.e. the 2 magical bonus pips from multi-crew, just get 2 extra accounts to sit afk in your ship to be able to rock stuff like 4 ENG + 4 WEP in a fight! Not that I condone such actions nor this game mechanic, but I clearly see the ball here in FD's court.
These threads... guess what, if I were really interested in playing Hose the BGS, my ESX host can handle 10 VMs running Elite at defaul settings easily, and probably 20 if I cranked the settings down to minimal.
Then I just need to buy 9-19 more accounts, fire up each instance in Solo, dock up all my ships in the same starting place, and fly 10-20 ships exactly the same at the same time, by binding all my VM inputs to one set of controls. If I lose one, I lose one, no biggie.
Also no scripting or automating required. Nothing to detect, nothing against the rules.
But Elite and the BGS isn’t worth $269.91-$569.81 to me. No game is. No minor game aspect is. So you’re safe, at least from me.
Then I just need to buy 9-19 more accounts, fire up each instance in Solo, dock up all my ships in the same starting place, and fly 10-20 ships exactly the same at the same time, by binding all my VM inputs to one set of controls. If I lose one, I lose one, no biggie.
Also no scripting or automating required. Nothing to detect, nothing against the rules.
But Elite and the BGS isn’t worth $269.91-$569.81 to me. No game is. No minor game aspect is. So you’re safe, at least from me.
There's no way the docking computer will be removed, it's been a significant element since 1984. Maybe push for a bot-filter on the engage-docking-computer sequence? CAPTCHA is a bad example, but if the engage button was secretly a bot-test that felt like cockpit operations, that's something that might at least get on the table.
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I think that would be an interesting experiment. Agreed the cost is not worth it even though your server and mine could do this. Back when they had the buy the game for 7.99 or what ever it was that would push me to more curious end of things
As a matter of fact. There's a bot, a video of which has been shown on this very forum, that can succesfully autopilot between stations.
The creator built it as a demo to show that it could be done.
Now imagine that the source code for the bot has been published on a developer website.
Now take a talented script kiddie and a few dollars more...
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Clearly you haven't really read the OP's posts or you would know that the bots only operate in solo or PG now.
Just so you know. You can't video anybody that's not in Open.
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You can get a full briefing from the 58 minute mark: http://laveradio.com/podcasts/laveradio-ep216.mp3
As is pointed out in Lave Radio Episode 216 (fairly late in the episode)
- "It's not a big deal until it happens to you."
In the meantime, the teams that are monitoring them continue to do so:
If you are on a team of Professional Players who can deliver 160 cutters into a system in 24 hours and sustain that for days straight -
Then good on ya - you are the new BGS paradigm. The galaxy is yours.
If you can't do that - then you're not a team of Professional Players; and maybe you'd better think about how you are going to compete with teams who are Professional Players.
Git Gud Scrubs.
Well in fact it is (that one or another one, I did not try it).
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Just because it's out of sight of most doesn't mean it's having any less of an impact or is in any less need of Frontier's attention.
And how, precisely, is a third party supposed to do that without themselves engaging in cheating on a massive scale?
Ah. I get it. The bots are meta-griefers.
The vertical intervals are weeks.
Each colour is a different system.
Each data point has a supporting screengrab.
Do you need to be spoon fed?
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