Game Discussions Bethesda Softworks Starfield Space RPG

What was DLSS good for in the first place?

Upscalers often allow for a better IQ/performance balance than would be practical otherwise.

I have nothing against using them, where I determine they provide the best overall experience, but I think that designing around the assumption they'll be used is folly. Judging something negatively because of their absence, without experiencing the title first, is also premature. They are nice to have, but the implications of them, especially the proprietary incarnations, are complex, and not entirely positive.

to allow unfit computers, that are only able to run 1080p content, to run 4k content

The slowest GPU I've used DLSS on is an RTX 3080 and I still use DLSS on my watercooled, 3.05GHz core, 24.3Gbps memory, RTX 4090.

Well, you gotta pay a price somehow. Take lower res or performance hit. I think you're generally better off accepting lower quality in resolution than having a lagfest for gameplay.

A 'lagfest' would be categorically unacceptable to me, but there are scenarios where I'll use frame generation. The frame rate that latency becomes entirely acceptable is generally lower than the threshold where motion smoothness does. So, outside of scenarios where even imperceptible levels of latency can negatively impact gameplay (e.g. competitive shooters), I'd much rather have well-over 60 fps with frame generation than sub-40 fps without it.

Cyberpunk is an interesting case, because, by default, the game has quite high latency. So much so that using frame generation doesn't even add any relative to the latency floor that existed before they added Reflex (at least on NVIDIA parts, where the low latency modes other than Reflex do not work in DX12 titles). Of course the game feels perceptibly more responsive if one just enables Reflex without frame generation, but it was quite playable before, and is still quite playable after, while making path tracing viable.
 
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My system is a little dated now, with a Ryzen 7 5800, but I did pop for a Radeon RX 6800 XT so I 'should' be able to run this at 3440x1440 ok. I think.
Both of those are at the very good end of things, tied together...spot on. I can't see you having issues at 4k, certainly not at 2k with all bells and whistles :)
 
Both of those are at the very good end of things, tied together...spot on. I can't see you having issues at 4k, certainly not at 2k with all bells and whistles :)
Can't afford a 4k ultra-wide monitor, and with my eyes, it might be a waste of money. :ROFLMAO:

But I am able to run my games at my monitor's max resolution and ultra graphics settings, and that's good enough for this Old Fart. (y)
 
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Looking at the concept art really makes me want to take an antidote for the hype, I used to love watching the art from ED (and still do) and dream about space.
now we only know what they told us, however from the very get go, you can have a family somewhere, not that I care for that, however some do, and you can own a home somewhere, however the ship will mostly be your home, but you can, and that is what is so appealing to me. I loved to listen to David Braben telling us what will come in the future and it did!! just not in ED or StarCitizen nope we had to get into a new universe called StarField.

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And yes we can hunt dangerous animals there too...

And the hangar, looks like they borrowed a bit from ED :) very interesting to see how it works.
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Hear, hear ! :D

All this talk of 4k...I feel grateful at my age I can still see the monitor :rolleyes:
I hear you Sir. I don't even know what monitor resolution is deemed '4k'. Pretty sure I don't want to know either.

My Dell/Alienware ultrawide is not top shelf stuff, but it seems to work pretty darn good as my gaming monitor for Elite, X4, MSFS, DCS, and a smattering of FPS games (Far Cry mostly). And like I said, I run everything at 3440x1440 and Ultra settings.

@lysan needs to stop with all that wonderful eye candy though, so I can stop drooling. I'm probably setting myself up here, but I'm hoping that Starfield becomes the game that I had hoped Elite was going to become.

Come on September! (y)
 
"Unfit computers', nice... shouldn't you be posting in the star citizen section? :whistle:
Nah.
I mean, for the topic at hand, FSR2.0 (which is really close to DLSS2.0) will literally allow unfit computers (Xbox Series X/S) to run Starfield at 4k, respectively 1440p
If for PC they recommend RTX 2080 / Radeon RX6800, an XB Series X has something that's similar to an RTX2070 (or a bit under) and much under a low powered RX6800* paired with a low power CPU



*(The entire Series X console is drawing about 210W while RX6800 has a TDP of 250W)
 
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Nah.
I mean, for the topic at hand, FSR2.0 (which is really close to DLSS2.0) will literally allow unfit computers (Xbox Series X/S) to run Starfield at 4k, respectively 1440p
If for PC they recommend RTX 2080 / Radeon RX6800, an XB Series X has something that's similar to an RTX2070 (or a bit under) and much under a low powered RX6800* paired with a low power CPU



*(The entire Series X console is drawing about 210W while RX6800 has a TDP of 250W)
You clearly know absolutely nothing about DLSS, FSR (now 2.1) or how far removed Xbox (and PS5) architecture is from a PC in the way they are designed and how they work...I'll just leave it at that.

Just for the record, I play on all 3.

Xbox series X
PS5
PC: R9 5900x, RX 6950xt, 64Gb DDR4

I can't say I particularly favour any one of them for gaming since they all do exactly what it says on the tin 🤷‍♂️
 
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You clearly know absolutely nothing about how far removed Xbox (and PS5) architecture is from a PC

Well, XB runs a custom version of Windows and DIrectX - it cant be that far and it definitely cannot overcome the hardware limitations.
Not to mention it's a 4+ years old architecture.

XB Series X has 52CU @1800MHz, running in a reduced TDP envelope, probably around 150W - compared with RX6800XT sporting 72CU @2200MHz and full 300W TDP.
The CPU is also weaker than what PCs can use. For example the XB Series X CPU has about 60% of the power I7 12700k

No magic can make an XB Series X run as fast as a full powered PC with the config as above (RX6800XT and an I7 12700k - and dont get me starting on the requirements - who's paining an RX6800XT with an I5-10600 or Ryzet 5 3600x ???)

So yea, they do need FSR2 to have the Series X running Starfield at 4k. and 30 fps
 
Well, XB runs a custom version of Windows and DIrectX - it cant be that far and it definitely cannot overcome the hardware limitations.
Not to mention it's a 4+ years old architecture.

XB Series X has 52CU @1800MHz, running in a reduced TDP envelope, probably around 150W - compared with RX6800XT sporting 72CU @2200MHz and full 300W TDP.
The CPU is also weaker than what PCs can use. For example the XB Series X CPU has about 60% of the power I7 12700k

No magic can make an XB Series X run as fast as a full powered PC with the config as above (RX6800XT and an I7 12700k - and dont get me starting on the requirements - who's paining an RX6800XT with an I5-10600 or Ryzet 5 3600x ???)

So yea, they do need FSR2 to have the Series X running Starfield at 4k. and 30 fps
Trying to preach to an Xbox series X owner and player what an Xbox does, is or isn't...have you ever seen an Xbox...never mind actually used one?..The comparison of hardware specs are totally irrelevant...no matter what you read on some PC master race fan boy site...they're both engineered and designed to use the hardware completely differently.

Comparing an Xbox to a set of random PC hardware specs in some kind of p***ing contest?... Look, I'm a gamer first and foremost...I don't really care which expensive bit of plastic I play my games on...they're all individually and collectively very good at what they do. I'll no doubt play Starfield on both the Xbox and PC...since it's free with Gamepass on both of them. I've absolutely no doubt it'll run pretty decent on both my fairly decent PC and console peasant XBox to boot 🤷‍♂️

I'm outta this pointless PC posturing contest :rolleyes:

 
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They DO decrease latency by allowing your system to render more frames
So, if you use DLSS/FSR2.0 you'll get lower latency simply because your system will render more frames than it's able to render when you dont use DLSS/FSR2.0
That's the apples to oranges comparison I mentioned. If the upscaler is working with 1440p native and taking it to 4k, you running native 1440p with no upscaler will be at worst the same latency. Upscalers don't improve latency. In practice, they increase latency, the amount depends on the tech in use.

A latency-sensitive pro gamer shouldn't be using upscalers anyway as they might get distracted by artifacts or ghosts depending on the tech, so increased latency is probably not a real issue to the market for upscalers. They exist to rescue the people who for some reason put huge monitors on low-end hardware and complain about low FPS.
 
yes I'm also taking the antidote but I can't help it, when I get excited I trawl the internet for anything regarding a game :)

and look at this a train station with a train, so how does that work and will it be in the game??

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I remember reading in the SC thread a while back that Star Field will use trains to get you around the larger cities... looks like a mag-rail setup to me.
 
I remember reading in the SC thread a while back that Star Field will use trains to get you around the larger cities... looks like a mag-rail setup to me.
makes sense, they also said that there will not be rovers or bikes to get around so they would need some kind of infrastructure to move around the populated areas, and I really like that idea, i'm sure the dev team are also players of space games including ED and SC to get ideas and as long it's not total ripoffs that is also ok, what makes me excited is the modding opportunities here, all these empty planets to add modding content is just awesome, sure we will see the usual planets full of naked woman but we're not forced to install it, how often haven't i found a drifting ship in ED all abandoned and wished I could enter the ship and search for loot and riches? that train left the station for ED a long time ago.

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I remember a long time ago where we saw fan made ED art, and we all wondered when will we see that? well the answer is maybe in StarField we will se it and we can enter the ship we found in the JUNGLE and loot what is inside.
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Of course concept art is not always turned into reality, however it gives you an idea in what direction the devs want to take a game.
I'm not the explore myself, however it just makes the environment so much richer if there is great environments with caves, jungles, abandon bases and ships.

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Looks like your companion VASCO can also be upgraded quite a bit.
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Funny but this habitat gives me a skyrim feeling
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and it's confirmed that you can choose to have a family, so that's interesting to see how they will do that, not my thing but still very interesting.
I like the badass worn down look on this one.
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makes sense, they also said that there will not be rovers or bikes to get around so they would need some kind of infrastructure to move around the populated areas, and I really like that idea, i'm sure the dev team are also players of space games including ED and SC to get ideas and as long it's not total ripoffs that is also ok

<<< Gets triggered by the notion that SC invented "futuristic" mass transit. Various ideas, good and bad, started to emerge at the dawn of the 20th century.

Only thing worse IMO is giving the credit to Elon Musk. The idea of the "Hyperloop" had been around for a hundred years before that huckster managed to sell that bad idea to gullible governments...
 
<<< Gets triggered by the notion that SC invented "futuristic" mass transit. Various ideas, good and bad, started to emerge at the dawn of the 20th century.

Only thing worse IMO is giving the credit to Elon Musk. The idea of the "Hyperloop" had been around for a hundred years before that huckster managed to sell that bad idea to gullible governments...
Mafia 1. And Half-life had the train scenes. Some old MMO of yore did have airships alikes.
I'm not really bothered getting around hubs - I'm more concerned exploration is gonna be solely on foot or by bunnyhop.
 
I'm more concerned exploration is gonna be solely on foot or by bunnyhop.
As I understand it, you can pick any point on a planet and land, what you can't do is fly around and land randomly, on foot or by hulk jumping is the only way at launch, now I'm sure modders will make something later, like flying cars in CP2077 however Todd said that there will not be any rovers or bikes in the vanilla game, how that will work I don't know. There will be plenty to explore, so maybe you don't need to travel very far to find something interesting?

I found this, so .....
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As I understand it, you can pick any point on a planet and land, what you can't do is fly around and land randomly, on foot or by hulk jumping is the only way at launch, now I'm sure modders will make something later, like flying cars in CP2077 however Todd said that there will not be any rovers or bikes in the vanilla game, how that will work I don't know. There will be plenty to explore, so maybe you don't need to travel very far to find something interesting?

I found this, so .....
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You know how geothermic "volcanism" can create bizarre formations? There is liquid carbohydrates under ice planet surfaces. Tidal force can create cracks and force these out to eject "into the sky" then when the low temperature set in the clouds and steam condenses or goes straight to solid state and that must be very strange. The plain ice world with snow storm - that is nothing ice worlds really look like, it's rather a lot more bizarre.
 
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