Parker, I think its best if we leave those decisions to Jeff and the boys - now get out the pink Rolls Royce.
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Parker, I think its best if we leave those decisions to Jeff and the boys - now get out the pink Rolls Royce.
Let me guess; you also wish for respect. Or do you just embrace your self-loathing?
Which was not my intention, I was hoping to get an explanation from the code members (hence why it was directed to fang [and nonya in a seperate thread]) as to how they explain that compared to their "we are playing fair" defence.
Please everyone stop assuming they are all guilty by association, if you found out one of your friendslist was hacking would you immediately turn them in? If yes carry on being morally outraged.
Epistemology 101 fail. I suspect that if you examine all that you "know" closely, you'll find that it's "belief" all the way down. Because those "facts" are founded on beliefs, in infinite regress.
As interesting as your digression is, you fail to address the key point, namely that even if it was "just a game" the griefers were wasting real hours of real people's real-world time. Thus, it's not "just a game" at all; it's at best a user interface between people's real-world experiences mapped into a game-space.
No matter how hard you try to sweep it under the rug, the in-game actions of the griefers are having negative consequences for people in the real world. If you need to be convinced of that, the fact that people are complaining in the real world is evidence that they are feeling those consequences.
The reason gaming is such a slime-pit of sociopathy is because it seems easy to establish a divide between the real world and in-game world. That divide is a convenient fiction, thrown up in order to allow people a fig-leaf of justification for doing actions that they (hopefully) would not do elsewhere in the real world because they already know those actions are wrong. Meanwhile, decent people are expected to nod politely to sociopathic online behaviors because "tolerance"* And then decent people are shocked to discover that the online world is full of creepy stalkers, harassers, and cheaters. Really? Go figure!! These in-game sociopaths justify their actions, and when they discover they can get away with it, they get worse - not better.
(* The code spokesperson speaks of tolerance, but what they're talking about is more akin to the heckler's veto. Saying someone is intolerant for saying you're a naughty boy doesn't make your actions any less naughty. Nor is it intolerance to struggle against people who are trying to interfere with your game-play and destroy your accomplishments in-game. It's poor philosophy indeed when the best you can do is "I'm rubber, you're glue" kind of arguments like what amount to: "it's mean of you to stop me from being mean to you" which is basically what the griefers are saying)
Sorry - were you here for the argument?
I'll see who's free at the moment.
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Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory. Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
Shouldn't that read :- 'couldn't do effective blockade, QQ over Frontier doing a scrap CG, can't handle not being centre of attention, admit to hacks in twitch feed'?
Not to be a wise-ass or anything, but isn't the CG already a success? I mean, even with the blockade there's a slight change we'll make it to the last tier. And I'd say that we'd be quite successful even without reaching the highest tier.
I quite enjoyed reading this topic (at work) and I enjoy the pirate-factor in the game. However, I did have some bad encounters myself, in which I was simply getting interdicted and got shot at within seconds. No comms or whatever. Hopefully, this wasn't a CODE member. Anyway, if CODE's goal actually is to prevent the CG from succeeding, I'd say that CODE has failed. Better luck next time, and I'll make sure I'll be prepared.
The CG's actual success will signal our withdraw from the area.
If you have the name of the Cmdr, feel free to file a complaint on our forum: http://thecodeelitedangerous.enjin.com/forum/m/27784528/viewforum/5172398
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I will convey that to the individual who posted said announcement.
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Good for you.
Yeah, I heard that, too. "Does anyone mind if I use my speed hack? It instantly accelerates me to 4000C."
Loose lips sink... integrity.
Previously CODE would claim they would blockade some CG because the expensive cargo is like honey to a pirate. Now they say they blockade Hutton because of how cheap the cargo is. There is no consistency at all. Basically wherever a lot of traders meet CODE will try to ruin the party. There is no in-game reason to pirate scrap (they mention this lack of a reason, bizarrely enough, as an actual reason to do it anyway), there is nothing political around Hutton that could provide an RP point, it is not an efficient route to pirate, there is no history with the region and there is no reason for hating a mug. Best to just assume there will be some psychopaths out there and prepare accordingly. That basically is the whole point of Open anyway, but I do wish CODE would stop pretending to be actual pirates and just be out&open violent lunatics.
I believe the person who made the announcement is complaining about how Scraps aren't profitable and that it is far for The Code to travel to pirate the product of the CG.
But believe in what you will.
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I have no problem with piracy. Interdict me, and ask for my cargo. I will either give it to you or run. If I die while running you won't hear me curse or cry (too much
This however makes no sense. The reasons listed are total rubbish, and there's no financial gain for the CODE. And if someone makes the 80 minute journey after which he's told to turn around or he's gonna die is just nonsense (If he even gets a warning). In this case, CODE is the black spot on the community (not in the sense they would like to think)
One more thing:
All of this would NOT be a problem if it wasn't for instancing. The community would rise up as one against CODE, and chase them out of the system in a second. But since no counterattack can be organized, they can hide behind instancing against minimal opposition.
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Oh, and like many others before me, I agree that "go solo/private" is hurting the game.
The thing is, people find complaining and whining more productive than forming a wing to escort traders.
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Keep telling yourself that you don't believe anything I say, maybe given enough time you'll actually start believing it.
See what I did there?
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Hello, I personally know Maj and know his reputation is interesting in the forums, but I will vouch for him that he never hacks and never will. Because the moment I catch him doing it, I will personally motion to remove him from the group despite him being one of the oldest administrators.
He lectures everyone about how one should never combat log and anyone doing so will get removed from the group, therefore I don't see him somehow allowing hacking or hack himself.
Also, Maj has a very jocular personality, he likes to joke about hacking because we, The Code deal with cheaters very often due to our PvP focus.
Why Ziggy why =-=...
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We are not deliberately being annoying, and we care. We have a complaint forum and communicate before advancing with our methods.
Having a PvE open mode is less effective than a flag system, but this is not the place to discuss that, so I'll drop it here.
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So anyone non-Code is now a care bear? That is certainly interesting.
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They tried it before, it ended up with CG being completed very slowly.
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We are not, and we don't believe you know who we are better than ourselves.
Certain things certainly weren't handled very well, but that's why I'm sitting here taking feedback and answering questions.
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There are a lot of things working as intended that we find ridiculous, but we deal with them.
FD is not known for balancing or knowing how to balance things.
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Just because players can use solo or group mode to evade us doesn't mean that our efforts are meaningless.
I don't think you have an understanding of our affiliation with other groups, but feel free to comment.
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Very reasonable. But you know, I bet at least half of the people here commenting and hating on Code did not experience the blockade at all, they just need an anger vent.
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You may interpret however you wish.
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People think they're entitled to safety in Open, which is why I am pushing for the flag system to appeal to both parties.
But of course, people don't like seeing matters from any perspective other than their own.
Thanks for responding Gluttony, however I was not implying that Maj was the one hacking, the person mentioning the hack was clearly not Maj as he had an american Accent (while I believe Maj is British?), he is also not the one playing as he is talking about flying to Hutton while Maj is clearly already there having fun. I'll trust you to look into it and sorry for stiring up the nest here.
p.s give Maj a rum or whatever you use for rep on your forum from me as I will admit to enjoying his videos.
Unfortunately, well at least to some players, it looks as though CODE just use CGs to get their kicks from grieving by hiding behind the thin veil known as "role-playing".
I know it's not a solution, OP, but solo is an option to prevent your game from being spoiled.
People play the game differently, and people don't seem to be very receptive toward that idea. The adaptability is abysmal, as well.
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We appreciate your praise.
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We appreciate your feedback, there are definitely things that could have gone better and room of improvement, we acknowledge that.
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Oh Ziggy... I did laugh, can you hug me, cuddle me and snuggle me now... maybe?
We would love to see a resistance group forming.
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That would certainly be interesting.
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Like I mentioned, it was a joke.
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I would love to see footage of us hacking, because as far as I am aware, that is an instant termination from the group of the offender.
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The effort sometimes have more meaning than the result.
You clearly haven't even bothered to watch the footage. That's how seriously you take it.
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Like I said, we don't hack.
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Not a sentence as such but I did manage to knock this up;
There was a young boy from Code
Who liked to be griefing a toad.
But the toad did escape as he feared a (word filtered - oops)
By jumping and crossing the road
The boy was left greiving
When he should have been theiving
That silly young boy from Code
But his fate was a looming
With Ziggy a grooming
He feared he might empty his load
(of scrap - at Hutton - obviously - you ty people)
Interesting poem.
Don't speak for me...I play exclusive in Open, even when there is a docking queue.
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