I'm reading this as: 'because Phisto's (and maybe Isaiah (who isn't)) a meanie, unless you ostracize him/them, there can never be any negotiations'. 'removed from all future'...What else can it mean? Genocide unless Phisto stops playing the game or becomes a saint.
Call to Arms for a Free Colonia
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Everybody keeps forgetting me.
No wonder I'm Starlord in our inofficial Reapers-Avengers cosplay group.
I ganked at least 3 players, therefore I'm irredeemable.
"We're going to bully you until you stop associating with these people we don't like. We're the good guys."
They (paladins) aren't called lawful stupid without reason thoughIsn't that how Paladins (not the corp, the class) always work?
My understanding of the rules, while advanced, I confess not equivalent to your own (and I haven't been keeping up to date the last year or so on BGS impact changes), leads me to believe that they would have to fill every other available system before Union would be available to them again. As you can imagine, in a region like colonia and with the numbers they have, plus no desire to expand into every system in the area, it's basically forever. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
THIS! i hadnt even thought of this until I saw it in another post, but it is the obvious solution..time for an Open Letter or petition? (I asked at that time and ID said it would be possible to bring in another 1 or 2 Anarchy factions through BGS but I got the impression not realistic to be able to get 7 in there purely through BGS so probably needs fdev intervention)
Calling on that one. One person actions are their responsibility, youre supposed to be Anarchists remember? Personal responsibility is the 'law'?. Ganking noobs as he has always done regardless of the 'cause' and using weak excuses is just immature. If a player cant fight against the big boys maybe they shouldn't pretend to be one.
This has already been 'negated / dismissed' in a post by SPEAR...but assuming it hadnt. One bad apple spoils the barrel, you dont leave the bad apple in the barrel would be the argument.
Please, yes, keep this one open. So far it has been the most RP, observer friendly and less toxic than the ones that got closed. Please act like adults and RP by the rules.
Ironically the argument against this is again that certain players have chased noobs out of Open or even out of the game completely. They are responsible for their actions and the consequences that occur. Sometimes associated 'innocents' get caught up so its the responsibility of that person to put themselves front and centre and not run away to gank noobs because they cant face the music and then crying about their friends getting destroyed when they ran away.
How many new Cmdrs who have joined the cause against the 'aggressors' would have joined if they knew the response was to gank noobs? This is the disconnect I mentioned earlier between the perceived leadership and the vast majority who post here from LR. Guilty by association unfortunately.
I think but someone needs to check that trying to force a player out of a faction or squad would be against TOS & EULA. That can only be seen as harassment or bullying surely. Please keep on the right side and this conflict will go down in history the right way.
aight just in case
UPD
lets imagine for a second. Nameless support faction leaders remove themselves from faction. All alliances are destroyed and LRCV and others communities dies cuz they wont have leaders and EN&spear&co easily take everything left in bgs without resistance and then show "symbolical" negotiations that should pin carcosa as their system and will never allow Nameless to exist in future. Isn't that "group disrupting" and "witch hunting/bulling" (aka social engineering) that spear always complained about from "GCI outlaws" (that arent even presented in this war).
UPD
as it was mentioned above by reapers, they have only few gankers in community and ganking is not their primary gameplay. Pushing down a single anarchy faction wont change anything about ganking in colonia cuz pvp and pve were always different gamestyles. 99% of ganks are happening in Deciat and Shinrarta that were never been an anarchy. This war more and more sounds like "hey we found a faction which is supported by few gankers, lets punish those gankers via ganking their bgs and show it like victory over all gankers in colonia". Btw tos and eula were made more about using game files, there's a great thing thats named Code of Conduct with some points that were violated by some lawfuls many times due harassing some players and groups, same as mass reporting threats.
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I think part of the problem is that the game draws no distinction between 'anarchy' and 'criminal' so groups/minor factions who play crime syndicates such as (for example) Black Omega are indistinguishable in game terms from the Children of Raxxla (Are they on SPEAR's hit list? ) as both are lumped together as anarchies despite the huge differences in the lore and activities of the two factions. I would much prefer political anarchy to be a different category from crime syndicate in the in game description
Honestly, stuff like this is why I argue that some form of pvp flagging should be a thing.
If ganking wasn't a thing, there wouldn't be a need for groups of "anti-gankers", or at least they wouldn't be able to use it as an excuse. It's been a problem in nearly every game I can think of with completely unrestricted PvP - you get the gankers on one side, and eventually you get the Dredds that come in and demand everyone else march to their tune, label anyone who doesn't kowtow a "griefer" regardless of whether they're actually griefing or not, and eventually end up being an even greater negative influence than the gankers. For our own good, of course.
Carcosa's standard expansion cube - being as it is on the fringes of the region - is relatively small. In order of distance with previous retreats or current presence marked *:
- Union *
- Edge Fraternity Landing
- Earth Expeditionary Fleet *
- Sollaro
- Morpheus
- Coeus *
- Saraswati
Union being the closest system is an advantage, of course, because it means that once they've e.g. expanded to Sollaro, they don't need to care about staying there to get back into Union.
So they could do it in five expansions - a few months, if unopposed - in the worst case that they have to visit EFL, Sollaro, Morpheus and Saraswati first. By using other expansions to fill those systems first (EFL already is at 7 factions, for example) it could be done in a single step - most likely a hybrid approach would be quickest.
(Doing that while opposed, sure, that'd take a while. But doing anything while opposed always comes down to the ability to apply more force and/or finesse than the other side.)
Strictly, it does.
Anarchy is a government type. Criminal is an ethos.
The Nameless faction happens to be both (which is the most common combination) ... Smiling Dingo Crew and Macrath Science & Research are Criminal but not Anarchy (they're Feudal) ... I've heard very credible reports of (rare) factions which are Anarchy but not Criminal in the bubble ... no-one took the option to create one of those in Colonia during the CEI waves, but they could have.
(The Cooperative government type also has fairly strong resemblance to anarcho-socialist or anarcho-communist approaches, as far as can be told from a few bits of text)
Does this mean we can ask spear leadership to leave and cut all ties with spear in return?
Just sounds like you have an issue with someone and yet claim the good guys are not greifers yet you sit there and disrupt peoples gameplay?
This is what I refer to.
Its OK, everyone needs a code name these days.
Recently i pulled cmdr out of supercruise, was flying around him, wanted to chat but he send hatchbreaker limpet on me. My understanding of this was that he wanted to shoot me but pressed the wrong button(was asp explorer with ax mc and seekers, go figure...).
I blasted him to rebuy.
Am I a ganker?!
I blasted him to rebuy.
Am I a ganker?!
I would imagine a Spear pilot doing the same would use the defence of the ship having hatchbreakers makes this a lawful kill.
But absolutely, yes you are.
Anyway, looks like a constant war is inevitable in the region along with the dictators in the region claiming more systems than the already have. Again, we have to ask those in the Colonia region how they want things to be.
I'm sure they will claim that taking these systems comes under 'emergency powers' that they need to maintain galactic security. I'm sure this was mentioned in another sci-fi franchise.
I mean, it's about as valid as ganking someone for carrying a KWS.