PvP Calling out all PvPers!

[jasonbarron]

Cliff's Notes on my hypothesis: white knight players, usually "lawful" PvPers, have no sense of humor. At least in the relationship to their playing ED.

That's where the fundamental disconnect comes from when you converse with them; they are figuratively blinded by their raging hatred of "griefers" and therefore cannot see our valid points, or far more importantly cannot appreciate our dank azz memes.

Prove me wrong, guys.

 

[jasonbarron]

I loathe griefers but I vomit inane ramblings all over the forums in a weak imitation of humour, do I count as evidence or am I some kind of mistake?

Definitely a mistake. Your parents should be slapped.

jasonbarron smirks in the shadows, sipping his extremely refreshing, extremely dry glass of red wine, waiting to see if Relspi is a white knight sympathizer, or if he can be influenced to come to the other side...

 

[jasonbarron]

The only side I take is my own. This absolves me of all responsibility for anything. Argue with that, tough guy.

I have no need to argue my young friend, simply to wait.

 

[Phisto Sobanii]

I have no need to argue my young friend, simply to wait.

I feel like you're Mister Miyagi now.

 

[jasonbarron]

I feel like you're Mister Miyagi now.

Wax on! Wax off!

 

[Screemonster]

I'd love to see Jason expand on it as well. In my experience, the folks on XBOX (where you play, right Ganksalot?) are usually way more chill about the cops and robbers thing. Sure, there's the usual locker room trash talk and what not but it feels like more people are "in on the joke" than PC.

I wonder if it's something to do with the balance of competitive vs cooperative multiplayer titles on consoles versus PC - back when I had a PS3 the latter option seemed way thinner on the ground than I was used to seeing in PC titles, so maybe console players are more likely than PC players to see pvp as a normal, expected part of gaming...

 

[Slange Lands]

Cliff's Notes on my hypothesis: white knight players, usually "lawful" PvPers, have no sense of humor. At least in the relationship to their playing ED.

That's where the fundamental disconnect comes from when you converse with them; they are figuratively blinded by their raging hatred of "griefers" and therefore cannot see our valid points, or far more importantly cannot appreciate our dank azz memes.

Prove me wrong, guys.

I agree with you, being lawful has never been considered cool or dank. However, I am okay with my banality.

I really don't hate anyone. Play the game your way. What I don't like is misery. Misery being people who felt their time was utterly wasted. People who feel so badly that they want to just quit the game. Whether or not their misery is justified is not important to me. Someone is not having a good time. That is sad.

In other words it is completely possible to be a White Knight /Carebear thingy and not give a rat's about griefers or gankers. Am I going seek vengeance? Maybe? Am I going to enjoy every opportunity for an amusing fight? You bet!

o7

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I have no need to argue my young friend, simply to wait.

“If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by.”

 

[Sir Ganksalot]

I would also argue that ganking brings more people into PvP. I have over a dozen players on my friends list that I met because I ganked them and they sent me a message asking how I was able to do it and in turn I took em under my wing and taught them how to PvP, build ships and helped em unlock engineers. When I played as a white knight (with IED) I never met anyone cause I could only fight players that were already pvpers.

Not all white knight squads are boring, SMC does full blown roll play as space cops and it's hilarious. They attacked our BGS once and every time we got into a battle with them the would send us messages like "die scum", "you will pay for your crimes against the galaxy" and "soon your tyranny will come to and end". We whooped the crap out of em but the whole experience was a blast and we all had a great time and lots of laughs.

 

[Sir Ganksalot]

I loathe griefers but I vomit inane ramblings all over the forums in a weak imitation of humour, do I count as evidence or am I some kind of mistake?

 

[Aashenfox]

Wow! Thank you!! This is exactly how I imagine organized PvP player driven content!!

It's weird though there is no sign of it on this game's official forums...

WEll, as you know, heated pvp discussion is not tolerated on family forums. Plus, most people think the whole forum is dangerous discussion. Have you been to the pvp section?

 

[Gaarp Kobayashi]

Although none of the bellow are on the topic of this thread, I thank the fallowing Commanders for their time and input to the conversation:

(...) People will argue on the semantics of ‘PvPer’ and ‘ganker’ to fit their narrative and you’ll never win because they’re right, and you’re also right. (...)

It's not a win/lose scenario. I have a full right to chose people to have fun with, as I'm chosing who's reply here I consider worth my personal time to respond. We all have such rights.

(...) I don't think blocking PvP players in this thread is really going to cure your problem in Open. (...)

I'm not having any problems with OPEN. I love it!!!

It gives me the possibility to have fun with real human beings, sharing same pasion for our game. The game itself is also giving me the possibility to just simply cut out the ones that aren't sharing my playstyle.

...and by blocking those kind of "PvP" players I'm also building a master list of an in-game bullies for a future use. By me and by others. Simple.

(...) If you want someone to fly with evenings during Eastern Standard Time you can join my private group.
We'll be hunting pirates around Deciat - we currently only have a 2 man wing but help is always appreciated.
Please note: We're very new so don't expect miracles or anything - I usually lose my shields to asteroids. (...)

Thank you! As far as I appreciate your offer I just love flying OPEN to much.

Okay, because you asked nicely with a cherry on top and everything - here's why you're wrong. (...)

It's nice if someone is nice, isn't it?

(...) You claim to have led big player events in other games, yet you show little skill in the kind of diplomacy required to bring people together. Instead your words come across as arrogant and ignorant (a particularly toxic combination) and you immediately attack the people you're trying to sell to. (...)

If you think I'm trying to bring together and/or sell anything to gankers and bullies, than you're simply wrong.

(...) ...it's clear you have little experience with either the existing PVP population (both the total size and make up) or the instancing limitations in the game. I'd bet real money you've never even participated in a single wing vs. wing fight involving just 8 people, let alone 60. (...)

Based on your last comment down below it's clear, it's you who have little experience with this game's PvP population.

(...) You're pitching an idea to a game population that doesn't really exist. "Ganking" or "griefing" are very subjective terms which you have not defined. (...)

If something doesn't exist for you it doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. It's very easy to destinguish a ganker, griefer or any on-line bully from a casual player. The second one is simply polite to other players.

(...) Based on your trigger happy blocking behavior evident in just this one thread, I'd guess that you'd disqualify 90% or more of the existing players who engage in PVP. (...)

Guess again, as you overshoot this one by lightyears.

Can we now please get back to the thread's topic? Thank you!

 

[Gaarp Kobayashi]

WEll, as you know, heated pvp discussion is not tolerated on family forums. Plus, most people think the whole forum is dangerous discussion. Have you been to the pvp section?

This thread has already almost 100 replies, 1k views. How many on the OP's topic?

10!

...of which three of them came from you. The major rest of is about trying to lecture me on how to proceed with gankers.

So, Commander Aashenfox, I can't agree with you more!! o7

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

If you think I'm trying to bring together and/or sell anything to gankers and bullies, than you're simply wrong.



Based on your last comment down below it's clear, it's you who have little experience with this game's PvP population.



If something doesn't exist for you it doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all. It's very easy to destinguish a ganker, griefer or any on-line bully from a casual player. The second one is simply polite to other players.



Guess again, as you overshoot this one by lightyears.

Can we now please get back to the thread's topic? Thank you!

You're suggesting you know more about the PVP community than Starmony?

LOL

It's like a parody!

 

[jamenator94]

There's been a few events like this before that have been pretty fun, but they were much simpler and therefore ran more smoothly.

The combat you propose is gonna have a few issues:
1. Instancing is gonna be impossible / very difficult, anything over 30 people is very unstable and getting people to redrop and stay in wing is gonna be a nightmare. Also the lag with NPC's in the instance too will be unbearable.
2. Scoring based on fewest rebuys is an error, it's just gonna lead to passive play, early wakes and high shield, low DPS ships. Imo it'll be 30 cutters waking at 2 wings and never dying unless they get rekt by the heat bug or something.

Also your interaction with star was pretty funny, shame I won't get to see the video of you getting rekt after you chickened out.

 

[Gaarp Kobayashi]

There's been a few events like this before that have been pretty fun, but they were much simpler and therefore ran more smoothly. (...)

Finally! Thank you.

(...) The combat you propose is gonna have a few issues:
1. Instancing is gonna be impossible / very difficult, anything over 30 people is very unstable and getting people to redrop and stay in wing is gonna be a nightmare. Also the lag with NPC's in the instance too will be unbearable. (...)

Aknowledged. That one is easy to fix then. 15 vs 15 wil be enjoyable no less.

Plus, there are ways to "ping" certain IPs, to find out who's lagging, bottlenecking the P2P instancing. I'm no expert in Elite's instancing issues, but there are many Commanders out there smarter than me on the case. I'm more than sure, they'll be willing to help out and share their detailed opinions/advices with fellow Commanders.

Plus there are many low-res sites out there with only few to almost none NPCs. Usually considered as a flaw it might work on our adventage this time. That's just a matter of campaign's pre-production, the proper research of the void etc.

(...) 2. Scoring based on fewest rebuys is an error, it's just gonna lead to passive play, early wakes and high shield, low DPS ships. Imo it'll be 30 cutters waking at 2 wings and never dying unless they get rekt by the heat bug or something. (...)

Well, that's one of the reasons to fish out and cut out gankers and other individuals having an issue understanging the term "fun".

That's easy fix as well. Terms of attendance comes in place. Plus moderators and bans from whole campaign/single event. The soccer have it, we will have it.

Leave this kind of details to me. I'm experienced in this matter.

(...) Also your interaction with star was pretty funny, shame I won't get to see the video of you getting grekt after you chickened out.

That was unecessary commen of yours. I would have "chickened out" if this guy would be a serious player, not a bully he's admitting himself to be.

...finally this discussion evolves into interesting direction!!

 

[Moriarte]

It gives me the possibility to have fun with real human beings, sharing same pasion for our game. The game itself is also giving me the possibility to just simply cut out the ones that aren't sharing my playstyle.

Then this job is not for you. See, organiser in elite has to be flexible, but with your preconceptions you’ll end up adding 80 people out of a 100 to your personal, awesome block list, because they openly admit to ganking out of boredom, for RP reasons, sending a message to FD, pledging an offering to their overlord and god knows why else.

It’s been funny watching your attempted condescension on famous pvp players and squadron leaders in this thread. After that kind of “performance” it’s safe to say the thread has ran it’s course. You passed the test in spades!!!

 

[Old Duck]

I think the mistake of the OP was trying to appeal to the established PvP community ("all" PvPers) rather than to start a new community around people like myself who enjoy PvP in general but find ED's version of PvP unsatisfactory in its current form. Don't try to change the current club, but rather start a new club.

Be warned, the PvP "Pros" would love to come in and grief and upset whatever you try to do (be it in game or via the forum), so you'd have to create a PG for this new club, and make it clear that you are offering a "different kind" of PvP. If I were on PC, I'd be interested in your group.

And drop the "I'm awesome" silliness - you derailed your own thread with the first post

 

[Wargfoot]

I think the mistake of the OP was trying to appeal to the established PvP community ("all" PvPers) rather than to start a new community around people like myself who enjoy PvP in general but find ED's version of PvP unsatisfactory in its current form. Don't try to change the current club, but rather start a new club.

Be warned, the PvP "Pros" would love to come in and grief and upset whatever you try to do (be it in game or via the forum), so you'd have to create a PG for this new club, and make it clear that you are offering a "different kind" of PvP. If I were on PC, I'd be interested in your group.

And drop the "I'm awesome" silliness - you derailed your own thread with the first post

This seems like a really good idea to me.
The goal would be to create an entirely new culture using new players.
You'd be dealing with people wanting to learn instead of those who've a great deal of ego wrapped up in the status quo.

 

[Old Duck]

This seems like a really good idea to me.
The goal would be to create an entirely new culture using new players.
You'd be dealing with people wanting to learn instead of those who've a great deal of ego wrapped up in the status quo.

And there are many of us who really dislike meta min / max builds and rather have "fun" fights in "simpler" ships where one does not need Prismatic shields and SCBs to win. I think the OP is looking for something similar.

BTW, if the game itself provided a small number of PvP-only combat zones (no NPCs), then I think this might happen based on the averaging of numbers. When you remove NPCs, the game easily supports 20 players on the humble PS4 before framerate drops. With 10 players per side, not everyone has to be flying G5 Cutters. I could come in with my fixed cannon Vulture and have fun, too. My complaint with the game isn't so much that griefing happens, but rather that more traditional, "balanced" PvP does not happen, not without people going through great lengths to artificially create it. At least not for more casual "I ain't got time to grind" PvPers like myself.