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PvP Calling out all PvPers!
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I won't attend your departure from this thread but I will write a nice letter saying I approve of it!
C'mon guys!! Don't. Just don't do it.
And it's just when we're finally starting to talk like adults here.
I'm astonished how this thread just got a fresh breeze! Though, maybe that's because we've already managed to run through the Elite's stereotypical PvP world - which was pretty interesting experience, have to admit.
...and it might be this world needs a fresh breeze as well!!!
Quite the opposite my friend. Your "famous PvP players" draw mostly a pretty grim picture of what I'd like to call a joyfull player versus player experience.
You know, thing are shifting all the time around us. In most cases it only takes to make the first step towards the new direction. Others usually fallow quickly after.
And soon after that, there are new standards and pictures being drawn...
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In this thread I haven't seen any PvPers insult my work ethic, my mental capacity, or my genetics. Funny thing is, I'm not a competitive PvPer either I just think people can play the game as they please. It's sad that's such a controversial statement for some.
Anywho.
Anywho.
Quite the opposite my friend. Your "famous PvP players" draw mostly a pretty grim picture of what I'd like to call a joyfull player versus player experience.
You know, thing are shifting all the time around us. In most cases it only takes to make the first step towards the new direction. Others usually fallow quickly after.
And soon after that, there are new standards and pictures being drawn...
It's only grim in your mind. Quite enjoyable for me. Bad boys hunt for the newbies, I (among others) set myself to hunt for the bad boys. But so do they, in return, hunt for me. It's the ecosystem FD given us. If you're interested in my opinion, no, I don't enjoy being placed in a line, handed out a ticket and wait for my next round in a set-pieces drama made up of 22 stages. I prefer living it, wander around, pick some fights with wanted commanders, lose some, win some. Take sides in conflicts, which are naturally (procedurally) generated, sometimes player-driven. Play Elite: Dangerous. Basically, what commander Kerenski said on the first page perfectly summarizes how I see this game. Some others too. Seven pages in, You don't seem to catch up with the irony of the situation. The galaxy already is a loose confederation of warring tribes. PvP communites, small, but dedicated plan and plot against each other, make alliances, just like IRL, things are shifting all the time, be it BGS, cops/robbers or other role play stuff. Some religious fanatics too, believe it or not! Along come You with an offer to save community from grimness.
Thanks, Prometheus, but I'll pass.
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So let me get this straight.
You say this endeavour would be "locking" players and that's bad because there's nothing "tangible" to fight over?
Interesting.
Perhaps you could enlighten us what this "tangible" thing is when gankers (griefers) engage a lesser vessel?
All I see so far is a good idea being bashed for no tangible reason. Unless you could elucidate further for us...
Don't engage the people who bash an idea that you like - they won't be there, they don't matter.
Well that was an entertaining read for a page.
Dropped in, ranted straight out the gate, left.
Very enjoyable, do come again when you're having another bad day
Dropped in, ranted straight out the gate, left.
Very enjoyable, do come again when you're having another bad day
Perhaps you guys can ascend to discussing specifics of the upcoming event. List of participants, rules. Clearly, there's plenty of interest.
Thank you for your opinion. It was intersting read.
Why the mallice though??
"Seven pages in" this thread has underlined the chaos in which the Elite's PvP scene is floating. That's mostly not due to players' fault. Our game lacks of many PvP features very common in other MMOs.
Still I'm aiming to discuss an alternatives to this chaos. Chaos that some might like (as you), some simply don't (like me). But most Commanders just seem to be totally confused about!
- How to engage a friendly PvP?;
- Where to seek Commanders I can have a friendly duel with?;
- Where is the thin border between ganking and PvP?;
- Do I really need to grind for weeks/months to be able to participate nice PvP activities?;
- Is there a really no way for an explorer or trader to try out a proper PvP once in a while?;
- Why no one is talking about it on game's official forums?;
Those are the questions major part of Elite's community seem to be asking themselves.
Now there's a cherry on the cake for you:
NONE OF YOUR "FAMOUS PVP PLAYERS" IS ADRESING THOSE QUESTIONS!
They just don't give a damn, don't know how to answear, or whatever. Let them bask in their glory and play the game how they like. That's their own, private time we're talking about, isn't it?
Still there are literally thousands of Commanders out there that would enrich the stagnated PvP scene of our game, if they would receive some help!!!!
I'm trying to help. What I need to scramble through while trying to discuss this with the PvP communty?
...posts like yours, with childish, unecessary malice hidden there and there.
WHY???????
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hmm i did fast read some of the last 7 pages.
however many pvper (both sides - outlaw and lawful) are doing pvp for a very long time. i mean more then a year.
the long time motivation will not be kept with pvp events imho.
i do organic fleet pvp a few times in the week and i do it cause i dont know what will happen in cockpit the next hours.
espacially on the lawful (security enforcer) side we have tons of content cause the avalanche of outlaws never stops.
i was personally in uncountable fleet pvp fights int the last years (some of them 50 ships in instance) but what was written before is right. the game mechanic can handle 3 v 3 wings not more without npcs. everyting what exceeds this limit the problem grow with every ship.
at the moment some of the long time pvper (espacially on the outlaw side) are leaving the game. and i totally get why they do it.
cause they really have a lack of content.
imho we should all brainstorm how we can create organic pvp content for all playstiles cause with planned content you will only have some good numbers of participants on special days.
it's a pitty that the open is rather calm at the moment except the few hotspots.
but fleet pvp is happening. very often in a week. you just have to contact the right guys and groups. and you are welcome on both sides.
for some examples of fleet pvp just go on my youtube channel.
hmm i did fast read some of the last 7 pages.
however many pvper (both sides - outlaw and lawful) are doing pvp for a very long time. i mean more then a year.
the long time motivation will not be kept with pvp events imho.
i do organic fleet pvp a few times in the week and i do it cause i dont know what will happen in cockpit the next hours.
espacially on the lawful (security enforcer) side we have tons of content cause the avalanche of outlaws never stops.
i was personally in uncountable fleet pvp fights int the last years (some of them 50 ships in instance) but what was written before is right. the game mechanic can handle 3 v 3 wings not more without npcs. everyting what exceeds this limit the problem grow with every ship.
at the moment some of the long time pvper (espacially on the outlaw side) are leaving the game. and i totally get why they do it.
cause they really have a lack of content.
imho we should all brainstorm how we can create organic pvp content for all playstiles cause with planned content you will only have some good numbers of participants on special days.
it's a pitty that the open is rather calm at the moment except the few hotspots.
but fleet pvp is happening. very often in a week. you just have to contact the right guys and groups. and you are welcome on both sides.
for some examples of fleet pvp just go on my youtube channel.
I understand the frustration. But this isn't chaos, this is galactic order. Don't look for hidden malice, lets discuss what's at the surface. Also, quit speaking for the majority of community, Tribune. No one elected you to do that. Speak for yourself.
So:
How to engage a friendly PvP?
Just find random commander with good combat rating and offer 1v1 to 20% of hull.
Where to seek Commanders I can have a friendly duel with
Shinrarta Dezhra is the best place for that. There is Wyrd, San Tu and others. Park near a station and ask for a 1v1.
Where is the thin border between ganking and PvP?
Ganking is one kind of PvP activity. People call them gankers because they gang up and they're .
Do I really need to grind for weeks/months to be able to participate nice PvP activities?
Yes and no. Yes, if you want engineered PvP activities. No, meaning there are stock ship tournaments going on.
Is there a really no way for an explorer or trader to try out a proper PvP once in a while?
Yes, there is. Roll up to one of the pvp systems and ask for a fight.
Why no one is talking about it on game's official forums?
People talk about it all the time. But if you want extensive talks, join one of the large groups.
Get it together and start discussing the actual event you proposed on page 1
I applaud your efforts; however, I don't think this characterization is helpful.
I like availability of chaos, unpredictability, and danger.
I think PvP could be improved but also really like the current options even though I don't currently participate.
Although fully fledged and engineered PvP is just fine as it is, it would be nice to have more opportunities to PvP in unengineered ships.
The engineering grindwall is significant and lobotomizing. Traders and Explorers do not have to undergo the sheer torture of material grinding in order to play their hearts' desires. Being able to PvP in a ship of your choice that is not very engineered without being instantly obliterated would be refreshing.
Gaarp, if you want to help, start an unengineered ship PvP discord and hold events for small, medium and large ships. You do the organizational aspects. Importantly you must let experienced and highly respected PvPers like Starmony, Rinzler and Yamato make up the rules. And Never Ever block anyone because they blew up a ship. You will be respected for your efforts.
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The engineering grindwall is significant and lobotomizing. Traders and Explorers do not have to undergo the sheer torture of material grinding in order to play their hearts' desires. Being able to PvP in a ship of your choice that is not very engineered without being instantly obliterated would be refreshing.
Gaarp, if you want to help, start an unengineered ship PvP discord and hold events for small, medium and large ships. You do the organizational aspects. Importantly you must let experienced and highly respected PvPers like Starmony, Rinzler and Yamato make up the rules. And Never Ever block anyone because they blew up a ship. You will be respected for your efforts.
o7
I second this wholeheartedly without reservation.
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