Cheating in Elite Dangerous

[Vasco Sapien]

Isn't it quite simple, Ban them permanently.

Naming them which they'll never do is quite pointless. If your tragic enough to use cheat engines in an mmo then its quite unlikely you'll give a toss if frontier tells the forum that commander traj has been banned for hacking.

Its more about setting an example to others who would be tempted to cheat with hacks. Examples of the past found and removed. Statistics alone are empty.
I personally would be made to feel much happier of i knew the people getting cought and removed are verifiable players.
I'd also be willing to bet that not all users of this tool are fringe members of the ED community.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Isn't it quite simple, Ban them permanently.

Naming them which they'll never do is quite pointless. If your tragic enough to use cheat engines in an mmo then its quite unlikely you'll give a toss if frontier tells the forum that commander traj has been banned for hacking.

I dont care about the names, but something solid wouldn't hurt. I remember with Diablo 2 Blizzard posted that maphack was not allowed, they were monitoring it and would issue bans. A month or two later they said they were really, really monitoring it and people should absolutely definitely stop using it. A few months later thousands of accounts were banned and people started to take Blizzard's word a tad more serious.

I'd also be will to bet that not all users of this tool are fringe members of the ED community.

If only we'd have solid evidence that many prominent players willingly and knowingly cheated, and were punished by FD. Because cheating is wrong.

Am I rite, pvp bois?

 

[Vasco Sapien]

If only we'd have solid evidence that many prominent players willingly and knowingly cheated, and were punished by FD. Because cheating is wrong.

Am I rite, pvp bois?

My comment is more slanted towards the hacking tool side of cheating.

But Non-PvP bois...... combat logging. Am I rite.

 

[Vasco Sapien]

Short of putting up a persons name, address and bank account details it wont deter people or shame them if thats what you're looking for.

Now Frontier might and could do a Valve and issue stats on how many are banned but thats about all you'll probably ever get from them.

Name, address, bank account details is a strawman. Shaming is a comfortable side effect which applies only where it does, but my possition has already been posted above.. its about providing something more than just empty statistics.

 

[avow555]

My issue with this is not with adults who knowingly cheat, but kids. Yes, cheating is wrong for everyone. But I think it would be kinda rough if someone from the community would come home and find his entire account wiped and blocked just because Billy the 8 year old wanted to get infinite shields so he could pancake a ship into a planet over and over for a few minutes. Sure, 'parents should be aware of what their kids do', and 'password-protect your apps' and all that, but I dont really have a problem with giving a warning once.

I mean, in the end it is just a game.

If you let your 8 year old onto your PC/account online then this topic is kinda mute to your home issue.

 

[Vasco Sapien]

Well I've never cheated in this game myself but I can say comfortably that if I did and my commando name was posted I wouldn't give a toss what anyone thinks of me here or anywhere else on the intertubes.

Just out of interest though what would you do with the information if they were to post commando names?

But i as a paying customer would feel better knowing that you where real and that you have been dealt with rather than just getting blanket replies from Fdev and token Empty Stats.
Ive covered this in previous posts, The names are heads on spikes. examples of a hard line finally being taken by Fdev on the hacking issue.

 

[Ian Skippy]

My comment is more slanted towards the hacking tool side of cheating.

"Don't cheat. Well, that kinda cheating I mean specifically."

Seriously though: don't mean this as a jab to you. It is just that while I personally find all cheating sad, the whole Righteous Crusade Against Cheaters by prominent PvP players is kinda comical when you see how selective they mean that.

Just out of interest though what would you do with the information if they were to post commando names?

Rest at ease knowing that reporting players, as FD requests, actually results in something?

 

[Vasco Sapien]

Sorry I just find it bizarre that the only way you can trust FD on the cheating stats is if a name is applied to it.

Its just a suggestion and one that isnt predicated on shaming or trust towards Fdev... its about setting examples.

 

[Vasco Sapien]

Heads on spikes isnt about shaming?

To a degree. I said naming isnt predicated on it. But i never said it was absent of it.

 

[Schmack]

All the "you cheat too" accusations flying around are pointless. Some of the people here being accused of this or that are some of the best content providers, and they often live stream their game so if they do something that's questionable then everyone questions it. They might accuse someone of cheating, as an outburst perhaps in a stream but many here, like myself, only play in Solo or private groups, so no one can see our questionable acts.

There's no reason for people to attack each other here. I doubt the cheaters are posting here. Attacking each other means basically the terrorists have already won.

 

[Ian Skippy]

So if you can put a name to a number then that'll make you feel better?

Strange given that it'll tell you nothing about the player other than their name.

I dont need to know anything other than that the reported individual faced consequences.

 

[Jankules]

On another note, how does Ryan know the banning procedure?

You can learn about that from posts of two live forums and one huge ex-forum.

 

[Jankules]

On another note, how does Ryan know the banning procedure?

You can learn about that from posts of two live forums and one huge ex-forum.And some private discord chanell.

 

[Morbad]

Don't need to post names or even numbers.

When the right amount of people are being actually banned, their cries of outrage will be heard far and wide.

 

[Riverside]

Don't need to post names or even numbers.

When the right amount of people are being actually banned, their cries of outrage will be heard far and wide.

It is in FDev's interests to be seen to provide a good quality service. Word of mouth is a good source of trust that action is taken but not a reliable one. Similarly FDev simply stating they take cheating seriously without that word of mouth verification is toothless.

Both would be reliable.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

You can learn about that from posts of two live forums and one huge ex-forum.And some private discord chanell.

IOW, it's based on internet experience.

Said by the guy who accuses of cheating many of those that don't fall to his premium double-shot incendiary frags.

Two bads don't make a good.

 

[Tikanderoga]

It would be interesting to elaborate the WHY[ people cheat?
In combat, infinite shields - People hate losing. I get that.
Instant drop to station - people hate the wait - I get that, I hate it too.
Infinite jump range - people hate the grind - Elite is full of that repetitive gameplay
Full of engineering mats - people hate the grind - we've had that, but again.

I understand people wanting to skip the grind that is not really engaging gameplay, and watch loading screens for hours isn't everyone's cup of tea just to get to Colonia or back as an example. What these people are doing is implementing Fast Travel. Something that is prevalent in other games by default and isn't considered cheating - because the Devs know, forcing players to do something their way can end up losing a large chunk of players.

A friend of mine ditched Elite because it's just too grindy. He loves the graphics and flight model, but hates the grind. So Bessy went the Uninstall path.

 

[Valorin]

It would be interesting to elaborate the WHY[ people cheat?
In combat, infinite shields - People hate losing. I get that.
Instant drop to station - people hate the wait - I get that, I hate it too.
Infinite jump range - people hate the grind - Elite is full of that repetitive gameplay
Full of engineering mats - people hate the grind - we've had that, but again.

I understand people wanting to skip the grind that is not really engaging gameplay, and watch loading screens for hours isn't everyone's cup of tea just to get to Colonia or back as an example. What these people are doing is implementing Fast Travel. Something that is prevalent in other games by default and isn't considered cheating - because the Devs know, forcing players to do something their way can end up losing a large chunk of players.

A friend of mine ditched Elite because it's just too grindy. He loves the graphics and flight model, but hates the grind. So Bessy went the Uninstall path.

There is no grind in Elite. People want things faster than intended, that's what creates what you call grinding.
I don't really understand why people who can't stand the stretches in the game play at all... The supercruising, the jumping, the incredibly big game world and the slow progression are all part of it. The non-modern idea of games not rewarding you with stupid achievements or giving you shortcuts, fast travel, easy-use button prompts and hand holding tutorials are also parts of the game. I love it for exactly that, and the science. I am not sure what keeps people playing who make it such a chore for themselves. The next upgrade? The next engineering grade? Becoming triple Elite? More and more and more credits? Military ranks to get all the rank-locked ships to do what exactly? Collect all the things in the game? Visit all the places? Discover ALL the stars in the Galaxy?!? Just play and have fun. I am doing that for over 3 years now, so don't tell me it's not possible with how the game is made.

I am under the impression cheats are for people who think every game is for winning. Doesn't really make sense for me.

 

[Sphinx2k]

PC Gamer have put the pressure on Frontier to fix this mess, hopefully they will get more resources assigned out of it.

Elite Dangerous hacks are becoming a problem, and Frontier is investigating
https://www.pcgamer.com/elite-dangerous-hacks-are-becoming-a-problem-and-frontier-is-investigating/

 

[Bloodsign]

FDev, if you're reading this, there are two actions you need to take here:

1. Permaban cheaters using hack tools. No warnings, no second chances, no appeals. Once a hacker is verified, scorch earth their account.

2. Find the hacker(s) who put together this hacktool and BUY THEIR WORK. Give them a bounty for finding a loophole, in exchange for their help plugging that loophole. Many software companies offer bounties to coders who can find security issues with their software.