That's an interesting read. But here's a thing.. I bought a licence to use a game developed by Frontier Developments. If they at some point in time, refuse to allow me to play, aka ban me, then I am fully within my rights to seek a formal reason as to why they have breached the contract.
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That's an interesting read. But here's a thing.. I bought a licence to use a game developed by Frontier Developments. If they at some point in time, refuse to allow me to play, aka ban me, then I am fully within my rights to seek a formal reason as to why they have breached the contract.
Just ran in too two of them in EXIOCE, flying Cobra Mk III's with shields that did not even take a dent.....
An the took my shields out in one hit and the hull down to 34% in two hits.
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Got video evidence ?
Just ran in too two of them in EXIOCE, flying Cobra Mk III's with shields that did not even take a dent.....
An the took my shields out in one hit and the hull down to 34% in two hits.
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That's not cheating, the Cobra Mk3 is the best ship in the game. You just witnessed the awesomeness of the CM3!
Seriously, hope you reported them.
And they will tell you, they detected you cheating and that revealing the specific details would compromise their ability to stop cheaters.
And they would be 100% within their rights.
You could try taking it to court, but you would probably find that the law is on FDs side and their ToS protect them from this.
I'm not aware of any game where the devs will give out exact details on how they caught you cheating, they will just say they caught you using a cheat.
He wouldn't be able to post it here, see the rule about naming and shaming.
And you don't see a problem in this in case you're not cheating?
You can appeal, provide them whatever evidence you can to show you were not cheating. FD are not machines, they are humans, and you might be able to convince them you were not cheating. It all depends on how strong the evidence is they have on you.
If they have video evidence from another player showing you are not taking damage or net logs showing it, you cheated. If you made a jump of 500LY, you cheated. If its a grey area, it looks like you might have cheated, but didn't, then an appeal might work.
Of course, the problem with any anti-cheat system is, there are going to be some flaws.
But what is the alternative? Not to ban anyone?
Someone posted a video about false positives, either in this thread or in another one. It took one guy a few months of perseverance and insistence on his GDPR rights to find out that ArenaNet hashed an empty string and used that information as a proof of hacking/cheating. He managed to spot the problem only because he's a software developer himself and hashed empty strings by accident in the past.
So if you'll ever exercise your rights I wish you good luck.
Edit: I don't think that I would go that way. I'd simply tell my sons to tell their friends and acquaintances about it, and by the end of the week at least 1.000 potential buyers will know how good FD treats its customers.
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Hello. I m new in elite & dangerous.
I ve bought this game because pple where talking bout a good community.
1rst bad experience :
I ve started the game in "solo" mode to grow up my money and ship.
Then I bought a "Anaconda" with A rang item (shield, ...). I start to do a mission in "multiplayers" mode, and when I come back, a player try to intercept me. His ship seemed to be more handy than mine, so I submit to interdiction.
But 1 second after exiting the fast travel mode my shield was down and hull fall to 63%, in 1 hit ....
Was it a cheater ? or is a "A rank equiped anaconda" a paper made ship ?
2nd bad experience :
I ve tryied CQC. I ve read a lot a tutorial and practice non assist flying, I know how and when use emitter to avoid targetting, how to use latteral thruster ...
I new but not a noob.
Yesterday i was on the six of an other player. I was behingd him since enought time to know he wasn't under boost effet (shield or weapon).
I start to shoot on him ... the guy slow down then stop, he did't try to avoid my hit. He just turn slowly back. I keep firing him ...
When he finally was in front of me to, he started shooting at me ... 2 or 3 shoots and I was dead ...
Was it cheating or did I miss something important ?
EDIT : for information, we were both in an imperial fighter ...
If both case were cheating, I can say that E&D is no more than GTA ...
I ve bought this game because pple where talking bout a good community.
1rst bad experience :
I ve started the game in "solo" mode to grow up my money and ship.
Then I bought a "Anaconda" with A rang item (shield, ...). I start to do a mission in "multiplayers" mode, and when I come back, a player try to intercept me. His ship seemed to be more handy than mine, so I submit to interdiction.
But 1 second after exiting the fast travel mode my shield was down and hull fall to 63%, in 1 hit ....
Was it a cheater ? or is a "A rank equiped anaconda" a paper made ship ?
2nd bad experience :
I ve tryied CQC. I ve read a lot a tutorial and practice non assist flying, I know how and when use emitter to avoid targetting, how to use latteral thruster ...
I new but not a noob.
Yesterday i was on the six of an other player. I was behingd him since enought time to know he wasn't under boost effet (shield or weapon).
I start to shoot on him ... the guy slow down then stop, he did't try to avoid my hit. He just turn slowly back. I keep firing him ...
When he finally was in front of me to, he started shooting at me ... 2 or 3 shoots and I was dead ...
Was it cheating or did I miss something important ?
EDIT : for information, we were both in an imperial fighter ...
If both case were cheating, I can say that E&D is no more than GTA ...
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When you go play a card game in a pub and are caught cheating, you generally are politely and eloquently requested to off and not play anymore. Just because it is an online game doesn't mean it is a very different concept. Yes, it is only a game. So the punishment should be you dont get to play just this little game anymore.
As a sidenote: the 'it is just a game excuse' tends to be some sort of self-defense often used by cheaters to excuse themselves. "I am only dishonest when it comes to the little things. But when [insert hypothetical epic event that never happens] occurs I will [insert imagined noble behavior]." Well, sorry but no. Who you are as a person is based on how you act in the actual situations you find yourself in, which are by far most commonly small and 'unimportant' things. And they add up. If you get too much change in the supermarket, you give it back. You don't cheat in unimportant little games. You don't pretend your sunglasses were stolen on holiday to get some easy money from the insurance company. When you're late in the office because you overslept you don't make up a excuse. Etc etc. And the more frequently you find yourself engaging in this behavior the crappier you are as a person. No matter how unimportant or small all these things might be.
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Impossible to tell based on one-sided unsubstantiated reports. For example, ED uses P2P mostly. It means there could be a severe desync, meaning that what you saw on your screen wasn't what was happening.From his perspective you might have been shooting empty space while he was unloading you for 20 seconds with you seemingly ignoring him. When in doubt, use the report function in game. FWIW, I ran into a player in CQC who I unloaded into for 10 seconds or so doing absolutely zero damage. Cheater? Bug? Lag issue? No clue.
Well, it's hard to say clearly what was in your encounter with ganker. If he used engineered rails or plasmas, it's possible to do such a damage. Anyway, we do not know your build, how many shield boosters did you have, and so on.
What about to CQC, that dude seems used boosters both for weapon damage and shields. So he may not (or didn't) cheat. I usually use that trick by myself.
The only cheating I've personally done in the game was a couple of days doing slip mining, and I'm not sure that counts, since the game tells you to go explore, and anyone can dive into the gap between two rings (slip mining will kill you before you can blink). On top of that I've re-logged at Dav's Hope, and the crashed Conda's. So yes, I won't be the one to throw the first rock. I've also used third party software like R2R and EDDB to plan trade routes that wouldn't be possible in the game, and when I'm finished mining opals, I go to EDDB to find a station that pays well, instead of flying around as I'm supposed to. I'm a sinner. Strike me down with lightning, and reincarnate me as Lana Del Rey's favorite sweater...When you go play a card game in a pub and are caught cheating, you generally are politely and eloquently requested to off and not play anymore. Just because it is an online game doesn't mean it is a very different concept. Yes, it is only a game. So the punishment should be you dont get to play just this little game anymore.
As a sidenote: the 'it is just a game excuse' tends to be some sort of self-defense often used by cheaters to excuse themselves. "I am only dishonest when it comes to the little things. But when [insert hypothetical epic event that never happens] occurs I will [insert imagined noble behavior]." Well, sorry but no. Who you are as a person is based on how you act in the actual situations you find yourself in, which are by far most commonly small and 'unimportant' things. And they add up. If you get too much change in the supermarket, you give it back. You don't cheat in unimportant little games. You don't pretend your sunglasses were stolen on holiday to get some easy money from the insurance company. When you're late in the office because you overslept you don't make up a excuse. Etc etc. And the more frequently you find yourself engaging in this behavior the crappier you are as a person. No matter how unimportant or small all these things might be.
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Okay, I'll bite: what on earth is slip mining? And why would you do it when regular mining earns a gazillion billion per milisecond?
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Slip mining is mining on the edge of a ring, using the gravity lock of another ring. Google it. It is considered an exploit by some, since it uses a "bug" in the game mechanics. All the rocks you'll find there have cores, but the ones you don't see come at you at the speed of light, and they WILL kill you. It's not more prosperous than normal core mining, but it's kind of a thrill, and it shows you parts of the game that you normally wouldn't see. So being curious by nature, I couldn't help myself. I read the rules of the game, and decided this was a "grey area". Normally I avoid those IRL, but as I stated: It's a game.
I don't think slip mining will become a thing. It's way too complicated and dangerous, and there's no real gain. Therefore I personally also consider it a non-problem for FDev. But it has scared me in a way the game haven't been able to otherwise. At one time I was hit by a rock, and died instantly, while hearing something that sounded like a high pitched scream from my ship wiggling in agony.
FDev should implement a report feedback system like they have in PUBG:
This has several positive effects:
This has several positive effects:
- It shows the devs actually care and investigate individual cheating reports and take action on them
- Shows the community that cheating has consequences and warns off players thinking of doing it in the future
- Encourages players to always report cheating, rather than get cynical and not bother (like in ED)
- The developer doesn't have to deal with bad PR everytime the playerbase decide to test their systems and procedures (Fdev have a history of being caught out by this)
Gotcha...
Slip mining is mining on the edge of a ring, using the gravity lock of another ring. Google it. It is considered an exploit by some, since it uses a "bug" in the game mechanics. All the rocks you'll find there have cores, but the ones you don't see come at you at the speed of light, and they WILL kill you. It's not more prosperous than normal core mining, but it's kind of a thrill, and it shows you parts of the game that you normally wouldn't see. So being curious by nature, I couldn't help myself. I read the rules of the game, and decided this was a "grey area". Normally I avoid those IRL, but as I stated: It's a game.
I don't think slip mining will become a thing. It's way too complicated and dangerous, and there's no real gain. Therefore I personally also consider it a non-problem for FDev. But it has scared me in a way the game haven't been able to otherwise. At one time I was hit by a rock, and died instantly, while hearing something that sounded like a high pitched scream from my ship wiggling in agony.
Okay, that sounds bizarre but not particularly effective. I might google it to see what invisible rocks hitting you at the speed of light is like!
Epic with Fortnite have this:
However, as you may note, they don't say what the punishment is or which player.
For FD to do what they do with PUBG they would need to change their rules on naming and shaming to allow themselves to do it, and i don't think FD will do that. You can bet if they did name players, there would soon be a subreddit with people posting the responses from FD naming and shaming cheaters.
That's better than nothing, but yeah I think the extra detail on the PUBG-style update is far more useful.
You don't PvP, do you? I've personally shot at people who clearly were not taking damage at all. And I know 100% they were not cheating, it was just p2p issues. Me having a vid that shows I did no damage to you proves nothing. Absolutely nothing whatsoever. I've also lighty touched the entrance grill in a fully shielded conda and had it instantly blow up. Did the station cheat against me? And I've boosted into the surface of a planet with an unshielded sidey and survived. Did I cheat? No, but I did survive. Not only that, I emerged underneath the surface of the planet!
Stuff happens. Just because you notice something very weird doesn't mean it is the result of cheats.
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