Cheating in Elite Dangerous

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That's better than nothing, but yeah I think the extra detail on the PUBG-style update is far more useful.

Useful for the feelings of the player, and Epic do get a lot of comments about how its useless because it doesn't reassure people about who was punished and how. Regardless, i can't see FD giving out much more than they already do based off their history.

Perhaps at best, something like Epic does - thank you for the report, action has been taken against someone.
 
You don't PvP, do you? I've personally shot at people who clearly were not taking damage at all. And I know 100% they were not cheating, it was just p2p issues. Me having a vid that shows I did no damage to you proves nothing. Absolutely nothing whatsoever. I've also lighty touched the entrance grill in a fully shielded conda and had it instantly blow up. Did the station cheat against me? And I've boosted into the surface of a planet with an unshielded sidey and survived. Did I cheat? No, but I did survive. Not only that, I emerged underneath the surface of the planet!

Stuff happens. Just because you notice something very weird doesn't mean it is the result of cheats.

And this is why FD are probably against the whole naming and shaming business. Because what players think they see may not be what is actually happening. But video evidence can be used as supporting evidence along with netlogs.

And i have PvP'd but find it boring.
 
Hello everyone,

We take this activity very seriously and, working alongside our development and support teams, are active in taking actions against those who engage with such activities.

We hope you understand that we are not able to share the details of the action actively being taken, or the steps we have in place to tackle the use of these tools, as we do not wish those engaging with this sort of behaviour to circumvent the controls we have in place.

We’ve been reading through all of the feedback you’ve shared. We appreciate your concerns and wanted to take a moment to inform and remind you that the use of cheats, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software is strictly prohibited.

Thanks for your understanding.

I am really interested in some kind of list of what is and what isn't a cheat. I use voice control software to do some tasks for me in Elite. Simple things like requesting docking are a few key strokes that my voice software runs a small macro that I had to make. This is why I am wondering where is the list of what is and isn't a cheat.
 
I am really interested in some kind of list of what is and what isn't a cheat. I use voice control software to do some tasks for me in Elite. Simple things like requesting docking are a few key strokes that my voice software runs a small macro that I had to make. This is why I am wondering where is the list of what is and isn't a cheat.

As cheaters come up with new and new ideas, making a definite list is impossible.

A cheat is anything that brings you an advantage of any kind and is not made with such an intention by the developer.
 

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You can appeal, provide them whatever evidence you can to show you were not cheating. FD are not machines, they are humans, and you might be able to convince them you were not cheating. It all depends on how strong the evidence is they have on you.

If they have video evidence from another player showing you are not taking damage or net logs showing it, you cheated. If you made a jump of 500LY, you cheated. If its a grey area, it looks like you might have cheated, but didn't, then an appeal might work.

Of course, the problem with any anti-cheat system is, there are going to be some flaws.

But what is the alternative? Not to ban anyone?

Oh I hear ye, and agree in the main. But;... The company must be able to produce evidence to the consumer they are banning. Never to the general populace etc, but absolutely to the target consumer.

Many decades ago in the land of MUD development, I was mudlib arch on a mud where we caught someone repetitively performing the exact same actions time after time. We banned the account. A few days later we received a message from another character, who it turned out was the father of the banned account, explaining his son had some 'syndrome' which meant he simply sat at the machine, and performed the same actions over and over again.

We went through the machine logs which were date time stamped, and evaluated that yes, it was quite possible and indeed probable, that he was not in fact a bot. So re-instated the account.

It's all very well throwing out 'oh they'd be within their rights, ToS, EULA' and all that, but at the end of the day, remember we are consumer, and we do in fact, have rights too.

I accept there may be flaws, but in the case, where there is or could be ambiguity, the consumer must be given the benefit of the doubt. And this is even more so, with FDev as their net code is archaic and not fit for purpose. It is incumbent on the company to protect their assets.

Cheating is bad and FDev told us a long time ago, that all ships and their stats were being recorded on servers so they could monitor ships stats, invalid jump ranges etc etc. So why haven't they been able to stamp it out? Were they telling porky pies? in the vain hope that everyone would be too scared?

Anyone cheating to a large extent in any game, knows they may be caught, and are playing the system until they are eventually caught.

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If John Wick played Elite, he would be called a cheater for using an aim-bot.
Don't get me wrong with this joke, because there are plenty of human beings, exceptional players, that really behave like optimal perfected machines in what they do. To everyone else, these guys/girls are cheaters. And maybe they are, because they spoil the fun of everyone else by smothering the competition.
Mmmm, is this too much philosophical?
What about the physically or mentally disabled, that cannot cope with a game's difficulty and cannot "git Good"? Despite trying to enjoy the game, they find a "wall" that they cannot possibly overcome. And yet they try, they play. To them, everyone else are cheaters.
And then there are those social disabled, mentally unstable exceptional players. The gamer psychopaths. They play to win, to defeat, to kill. They live for competition. They revel in destroying everyone else in a game, because they still have that sliver of humanity that tells them they cannot do that in real life. But they want to... oh, how they want to. An excuse, is all it's needed, a chance, and a gun.
Is this all a fault of the game? Aren't we all playing the "cheaters" game in one way or the other?
 
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If John Wick played Elite, he would be called a cheater for using an aim-bot.
Don't get me wrong with this joke, because there are plenty of human beings, exceptional players, that really behave like optimal perfected machines in what they do. To everyone else, these guys/girls are cheaters. And maybe they are, because they spoil the fun of everyone else by smothering the competition.
Mmmm, is this too much philosophical?
What about the physically or mentally disabled, that cannot cope with a game's difficulty and cannot "git Good"? Despite trying to enjoy the game, they find a "wall" that they cannot possibly overcome. And yet they try, they play. To them, everyone else are cheaters.
And then there are those social disabled, mentally unstable exceptional players. The gamer psychopaths. They play to win, to defeat, to kill. They live for competition. They revel in destroying everyone else in a game, because they still have that sliver of humanity that tells them they cannot do that in real life. But they want to... oh, how they want to. An excuse, is all it's needed, a chance, and a gun.
Is this all a fault of the game? Aren't we all playing the "cheaters" game in one way or the other?

I don't know the answer to that, but your post went straight off the deep end to crazy town.
 
It's just a way to push the veil a little. Behind every gamer, there's a person, better or worse, with their own motives and limitations.

That's really the only conclusion you can make. Unless you commit to a relationship and get to know them over the years you can't say much at all about what their in game actions may mean.
 
That's really the only conclusion you can make. Unless you commit to a relationship and get to know them over the years you can't say much at all about what their in game actions may mean.
That's why I tend to multiplayer only with friends and people I do know - LAN, most of the times. Dealing with grievers when not knowing who they are or why they behave so badly leaves a bitter taste in my heart. So, Elite Dangerous is a solo game for me. Even Mobius has some unwanted visits sometimes.
 
Who the hell cares why they do what they do? I don't understand letting anyone, much less a troublemaker in a video game, sour your spirit so.
Some of us are have more empathy towards others, i guess. It troubles me knowing that someone gets fun from bullying another.
Maybe this can give some kind of illumination on the many aspects of human behavior and others' sensibility:

Cheers
 
Some of us are have more empathy towards others, i guess. It troubles me knowing that someone gets fun from bullying another.
Maybe this can give some kind of illumination on the many aspects of human behavior and others' sensibility:

Cheers

It's playing a video game according to the rules. You may find it distasteful, but that's about as far as you can push it.

How about getting upset about actual bullying?
 
Hi all,

Cheating in Elite Dangerous is managed on a case by case basis. Applications used outside of Elite Dangerous that allow for full unattended automation of the game (known as botting) is not permitted. Using 3rd party applications tools to modify your game client to gain an unfair advantage is cheating (things like no-clip, full shields, insta teleports/insta-jumping, etc). Taking advantage of a bug in the live game that has not been disclosed or suppressed from being reported is exploiting.

As always, that isn't a full definitive list, and our Anti-Cheat team at Frontier has the final say on what is and what is not permitted to be used in conjunction with Elite Dangerous. You can view our current Elite Dangerous EULA here: https://www.frontierstore.net/ed-eula/

If you find hacks or cheats being used, please report the user via the ingame tools and file a customer support ticket at https://support.frontier.co.uk/ - thanks!
This post is in another thread about cheating. From Staff member Brett.
It says it all. There's no need to beat around the bush or whining about cheaters. If you find a cheater, report it, and the staff will verify in a case-by-case basis. Period.
 
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Seriously though, never going to find me near public play EVER. The game it dangerous enough as it is, without the glitch brigade.
 
....the use of cheats, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software is strictly prohibited.

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I am really interested in some kind of list of what is and what isn't a cheat. I use voice control software to do some tasks for me in Elite. Simple things like requesting docking are a few key strokes that my voice software runs a small macro that I had to make. This is why I am wondering where is the list of what is and isn't a cheat.

I would also like confirmation on the use of Voice Attack and the HCS Voice Packs which are heavily automated including dock/undock, automated route plotting (including automated route plotting to all rngineers), automated pip-management, automated targeting and targeting of sub-systems, automated engine management, automated flight rotation and a whole host of other things it can do for you while you get on with something useful like cleaning the house or looking after the kids.

I fairly sure HCS must be authorised but in light of Wills response I'm not so sure.

I've done a search but come back empty. Does anyone have a citation?
 
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