That's not evidence, that's argument from authority. What else do you believe based on someone telling you what to believe, perhaps your political opinions? I'm sure fdev would also tell you things like "there is no panther LX", yet people who take a more scientific method found otherwise.
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- Thread starter Rich32uk
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THey're doing what they can with the income they get from the subscription you pay to play Elite
Wait... you're not paying any subs? And there are no micro-transactions?
Well, bad luck
However, you can play on consoles. Hardly any cheating since you cannot really run trainers and both the XB Live and PSN are heavily policed.
It does.
Its not about instant suvery, or unlimited fuel, its more about unlimited jump range, and a fact that cheaters can tag as firsts, and Fdevs already did mention that they cannot remove tags once been data was sold, even if was done by cheat.
There is few pearls to yet to visit and tag as first, but you need like 1000+ ly range to get there, and preety sure that those are already tagged by cheaters. But even if cheaters got banned, thier tags remain or change into "cmdr validating" wich apply for removed accounts/banned as well, meaning that if ever in future would be a valid way to get in such remote system, part of reward is gone, and for many, myself included, biggest reward is being "first" If I go explore somewhere.
And yes, Fdevs can tell if someone did 5000ly illegal jump, its should be easy for them to notice it. But thing is, ban aint is done by instant, cheaters can do go explore for few hours, go visit unreachable systems, tag them, go back, sold data, and surely they will be banned soon... but thier tags will remain. And this is where is point of problem.
Some might not care about first tag, but some do, and I do care, and I do care a lot about it..
As exploration to me is about being first somewhere, so others would be next After me, not other way around, especially if system is something very rare and amazing... For example, I did focus at finding and tagging planetary nebulas (nebulas of size of system, there is only 200-300 of these) many years ago. Did managed to find and to tag as mine a few of them, but for now, preety sure all "reachable" ones are all tagged and not any left. So what if only 0.005% is been discovered, but within that all obvious and nice places are long time tagged by someone else.
Same issue is with bigger nebulas, A-AA systems, wolf-rayets, odd star clusters, at every region, at whole galaxy, apart only from permit regions. When you look at gal map and you think you find something good, once you get there, its already tagged. Only thing to find is random multiple ELW, or GGG's, but these are pure luck, as those can be anywhere, hidden at bulk of stars. Good luck with that.
OMG there's just no reasoning with you is there? There was a entire subreddit thread talking about this, and they even showed a screenshot of the actual support ticket they filed, and they have the discord chat records of literal cheating groups, and to top that all off, a YouTuber find it important enough to make a whole video on the issue. And you're telling me that NONE of this is evidence??
There's a reddit thread full of witnesses!! Witnesses count as evidence!!
Also now that I've given plenty of evidence, it is YOU who should prove that this information is not relevant today!!
You know what, you're right. In fact I'll take it further, cheating just doesn't exist in this game. Can you give evidence of any cheating behavior? No? Well case closed then, everything is normal, no cheaters around here.
Ah I see, well thank you for your nice words. I will still go exploring at some point, definitely. It's just that it would be all the better to go without having to compete with cheaters, as infrequent as that might occur. Like I said it's a sour taste in the mouth, not some big giant obstacle.
There is no competition if:
- you dont go on the fringes (most if not all the system on the fringes of the galaxy are already tagged - circumventing the galaxy was a thing in the first years) or
- go along the well beaten paths and use Spansh for nagivation - since it's based on systems previously discovered by other people or
- go to popular nebulas (or any other landmark)
you will hardly find any visited systems. (but none of the above involves any cheating)
Most of the galaxy is undiscovered, like 99 percent of it.
If a cheater did an 1000ly jump and tagged some system that is inaccessible - you dont know that and you're not affected either.
Again, you're just repeating yourself, and it sounds the exact same to me. It's your opinion that cheating in exploration doesn't matter to you. However it does matter to me. And I'm not the only one with this sentiment.
It caused some drama when that happened with Ishum's Reach and the first explorer showed up to an already tagged system. Who knows what other records are already claimed.
Thanks but I think you missed my point. I have no doubt that going out there will give me lots of first discoveries, in fact statistically if I go far enough I'll be encountering new systems almost all the time. It's just that to think I had to hone my skills and perfect my ship to do all of this, whereas some random cheater could just do it without even trying, it's a sour taste in the mouth you know?
It's like you won an Olympic gold medal and as you were standing on stage kissing your hard-earned gold you see someone selling the same gold medal right next to you and a dozen people just bought the same gold medal without having to compete.
@Jumpin' Jack Flash Thanks for the long post dude, but I'm afraid you missed my point
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Cygni x3 too. And there is certainly more as well.
I'm not the OP!The only sensible post in this thread.
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Anyway, I discovered three untagged ELWs on my way back from Colonia, arguably the most travelled road these days.
I travelled through an undiscovered F type system with terraformable HMCs less than 3kly out from the bubble.
Your fears are exaggerated, OP.
I'm just a random dude who saw a thread about cheating and I thought "Hey I'mma tag along and voice my biggest concerns about cheating" and some how EVERYONE starts ragging on me and this just became a full-out exploration discussion
I'm like wuuuut? Why am I getting this much attention
yes, but that doesnt matter for me since i started at the end of 2018 (and as everyone else i went to the fringes for the first trip and every system was tagged already)
and it certainly doesnt matter for any more or less newer players.
So, yes, while generally speaking Cheating is bad - i cannot say it affect my gameplay in the last 3 years
Not once.
Awesome! I'm bookmarking this for later. Thanks a bunch!
In that case? I also misunderstood you. I can't imagine why you might care what a solo player is doing. You can't see them and they're not jumping you. I'd only care if I was getting smoked unfairly. This sounds like one of those "end solo mode" posts, "because I care too much what people I can't see are doing and how they are playing."
didnt even know those cheats existed so how did you
I've explained in abundance why a solo cheat like this can affect gaming experience dude. Just do a bit of light reading before you hop in?
I think I explained it in page 3 or 4, you might want to check there. I'm getting tired of repeating myself.
Care to provide a link for that drama? Right now, Sam Ishum is recognized as the first CMDR to reach Oevasy SG-Y d0, both in-game (I just checked to make sure) as well as on EDSM. Are you claiming he cheated or that the system was already tagged when he arrived and FD changed that tag?
That would explain why some early tags were lost and then replaced by new ones a few years ago, FDEV's all or none approach...
If looking at it on EDSM, search for "Tooth". It's ancient drama though so no idea if threads about it still exist.