Hardware & Technical Computer Build to run Elite Dangerous
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Its Extreme! lol....Am no expert but even i can see that is one hell of a rig! you should have no problem with running anything and still have bells and whistles left over
I Want To Be Sure It's The Best Option To Run Elite - Dangerous....
I just want to be sure I have chosen the right options to play Elite - Dangerous the way it should be played and some other games like Star - Citizen perhaps. It would be sad to only spend this much on a new gaming machine and be only doing it for one game only.
I also need a seriously awesome new computer, because the ones I have been using just can't handle the way I use them. I have habit of over loading them with a abundance of software and tend to open numerous tabs all at once while internet browsing. These machines never seem to have the memory/power/speed to handle this sort of usage.
Just advising you to be cautious Mick.
I just want to be sure I have chosen the right options to play Elite - Dangerous the way it should be played and some other games like Star - Citizen perhaps. It would be sad to only spend this much on a new gaming machine and be only doing it for one game only.
I also need a seriously awesome new computer, because the ones I have been using just can't handle the way I use them. I have habit of over loading them with a abundance of software and tend to open numerous tabs all at once while internet browsing. These machines never seem to have the memory/power/speed to handle this sort of usage.
Save yourself a few thousand dollars (on older tech) and ditch Harvey. They are not PC specialists and market to the uninformed.
Give MSY in Bundamba a look. They have 3 levels of gaming PCs they can build and test for you. Been using them for over a decade in various states as a parts supplier.
I'd probably recommend their mid-tier for around $2,000 depending on your CPU.
All that comes with Win8.1 x64, and ... well you can see for yourself and decide here ..
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No it is more or less six and two threes at the minuet performance wise.
The GTX780ti is the fastest card but not much faster and cost quite a bit more than the GTX780 and the 290X.
280x/7970 and the gtx770/680 are more or less neck and neck performance wise although the 280x/7970 dose pull ahead a bit at higher resolutions due to the extra Vram and memory bandwidth over the GTX770/680 and price wise there roughly the same.
290x/GTX780 and the Titan again not much in it either way all with in a few % of each other and the GTX780/290x more or less the same price, the titan is only worth it if you are playing on a 4k screen now due to the much higher price.
The normal 290 is the real bargain slightly slower than the 290x/GTX780 but a lot cheaper and some can be flashed to a full working 290x as well I think the Vtx3d and some of the HIS cards not sure about any of the other brands.
I just burned 1.5k on a new rig (been many a year since I played any game on the PC). I'm sure I could have bought each part separately and put it together at much cheaper price, but chose to click my mouse a couple times instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229498
Actually, for an informed buyer in a competitive market, building a computer is not significantly cheaper than buying a store configured one - typically they add the different component cost and a few bucks for assembly.
Price/cost usually is the most significant parameter in a config. But only serves to limit/optimize a system with different purposes. Some want a low noise system. Other want a personalized config. But it usually is a interactive thing.
@Mick - what are your goals for your config - as far I can perceive, you are looking for a system that allows you to play ED (and other demanding games) at 1080p resolution with a decent performance and well priced.
IF so, focus on bang for buck.
I do not know the australian PC market, so I cannot recommend any particular supplier. But if you are not very familiar with it, try to get at least two competing proposals, with independent funding. And ditch stuff that you are not going to use first in order to meet your budget (e.g. do you intend to watch Blu ray movies on your PC? if not, ditch the BR drive...).
Hey Mick, just a thought, but if you absolutely must buy from Harvey Norman, why don't you get something like this:
Asus M51AC-AU006S Desktop
And just buy and slot in a more kick-ass graphics card?
Should be a heck of a lot cheaper than what they're offering.
Actually the case does matter, more on a enthusiast setting - people that change components as time goes by. While I didn't match Geraldine's impressive record of 11 year case, my Coolermaster Stacker did last 8 years (and lived through 3 systems). but that has more relevance for people that select and change specific component in their systems. For people that just change the whole thing, the only relevant thing usually are the looks of the case.
Now, nVidia vs Ati/AMD (Radeon). The short answer (imho) is no, nVidia is not better than AMD - or the other way around. I've had several cards from both manufacturers in the past 20 years, depending on value for money (as well as Sis, Matrox and Intel cards). Sometimes nVidia cards were the best choice, sometimes they were overpriced (or underpowered) compared to the competition. Currently I feel that AMD is providing all round better value, but depends on your requirements also.
(a completely different analysis is that I "feel" that nVidia has better SW and AMD better HW).
Ahem, I do hope that the store is better than the PDF leaflet implies...
No, not really. The stores are more like warehouses with a shopfront. Helps with costs and the high turnover - as their stock is not stale like the larger department stores.
These guys are one of the better direct importers in his area with lower costs No money wasted on advertising or smiling salesmen.
Just compare for yourself.
Harvey Norman : Pryon PRY-G7333 Storm Series Gaming Desktop advertised at $4699
CPU i7 4770K
MOBO Unknown (prob z87 variant)
16G DDR3 RAM
3TB SATA
120GB SSD
Blu-ray DVD
GTX 770 2GB nVidia card
ECO II ALC liquid cooler
850W PSU
Storm Series Coolermaster case
1 year warantee
MSY: DIY Equivalent Specced PC at $2020
$379 CPU i7 4770K
$195 MOBO MSI Z87-G45-Gaming
$165 RAM 16G 1600 Kinston
$133 HD 3TB SATA
$115 SSD 120GB Seagate 600
$59 LG Blu-ray Writer
$419 GTX 770 2Gb Gigabyte
$159 Thermaltake Bigwater 760 Pro
$179 PSU 850W Antec
$185 Case Thermaltake Revo-full
$30 Mouse/kb
$0 1 year warrantee
If you want them to install and test it for you, they can for an additional cost.
So just based on both advertised prices, you save over $2,500.
Still, if money is no issue or you are more comfortable shopping at places like Harvey or Myer then that's cool. As it seemed Mick was talking about getting a bank loan for this, thought this info may help him out.
This is kind of blowing my mind right now, how can that be advertised at $4,700? The video card alone isn't even a 780 or 770 4GB. I'm sure the rest of the components are top of the line, but for 4.7k I'd want a GTX 780 or dual 770's with 32 GB DDR3 just for the hell of it! The 1.5k rig I just bought has the same video card, RAM, and i7 4820k, no way there is 3k extra worth of goodies in there. I'd look at other options OP. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883229498
Commander Mick : Youre getting ripped off terribly by Harvey norman. They are sitting behind the counter rubbing their hands together and grinning like idiots.
Spend NO MORE than $2000AUD If you are spending more than this, you are being ripped off and wasting money.
From scorptech in melbournce (I live in victoria, I've just bought from them but have no other affiliation at all).
I bought
Asus Gryphon Z87
Intel i7 - 4770
32 G Corsair RAM
Gigabyte R9 280X
all up it came to $1425 (But I already had a case, Power Supply and hard drives & DVD drive)
You can cut out nearly $500 by going for 8G RAM and a i5 4670. You won't notice the difference in performance. I bought what I did because I'm an IT enthusiast and I had a healthy ATO return in my hand. If you don't know what the benefits of an i7 are, you don't need them.
You then also need
a hard drive (about $100) OR
a SSD at about $200
A case and a PSU. Get a decent 550 - 600w PSU.
A DVD rom is also a possible requirement for you. But they run around $20 - $40.
Look at these options and see how much Harvey Norman are ripping you off.
http://www.scorptec.com.au/systems/all/
You can also buy from
www.auspc.com.au (I've bought from them in the past, had no issues).
As a test, I went and specced up a good system for you from Scorptech.
ASUS - GRYPHON Z87 $185.00
Corsair - CMP8GX3M2A1600C9 Corsair 8GB (2x4GB), PC3-12800 (1600MHz) DDR3,$135.00
Intel - BX80646I54670 Intel Core i5 4670 $255.00
Gigabyte - GV-R928XOC-3GD $399.00
Antec - SOLOII $155.00
Corsair Corsair 600W CX600M ATX Power Supply, $109.00
Samsung - MZ-7TD250BW Samsung 250GB SSD, 840 Series, $189.00
Windows 8.1 $169
Total : $1,596 + Shipping.
You need a monitor as well. Maybe $400 for a 27" dell 1920x1080
That would play any new game extremely well.
Anything more is overkill.
Spend NO MORE than $2000AUD If you are spending more than this, you are being ripped off and wasting money.
From scorptech in melbournce (I live in victoria, I've just bought from them but have no other affiliation at all).
I bought
Asus Gryphon Z87
Intel i7 - 4770
32 G Corsair RAM
Gigabyte R9 280X
all up it came to $1425 (But I already had a case, Power Supply and hard drives & DVD drive)
You can cut out nearly $500 by going for 8G RAM and a i5 4670. You won't notice the difference in performance. I bought what I did because I'm an IT enthusiast and I had a healthy ATO return in my hand. If you don't know what the benefits of an i7 are, you don't need them.
You then also need
a hard drive (about $100) OR
a SSD at about $200
A case and a PSU. Get a decent 550 - 600w PSU.
A DVD rom is also a possible requirement for you. But they run around $20 - $40.
Look at these options and see how much Harvey Norman are ripping you off.
http://www.scorptec.com.au/systems/all/
You can also buy from
www.auspc.com.au (I've bought from them in the past, had no issues).
As a test, I went and specced up a good system for you from Scorptech.
ASUS - GRYPHON Z87 $185.00
Corsair - CMP8GX3M2A1600C9 Corsair 8GB (2x4GB), PC3-12800 (1600MHz) DDR3,$135.00
Intel - BX80646I54670 Intel Core i5 4670 $255.00
Gigabyte - GV-R928XOC-3GD $399.00
Antec - SOLOII $155.00
Corsair Corsair 600W CX600M ATX Power Supply, $109.00
Samsung - MZ-7TD250BW Samsung 250GB SSD, 840 Series, $189.00
Windows 8.1 $169
Total : $1,596 + Shipping.
You need a monitor as well. Maybe $400 for a 27" dell 1920x1080
That would play any new game extremely well.
Anything more is overkill.
Mick,
I would strongly suggest seeing if you can speak to someone not associated with the company to go through the credit terms before you sign anything, just to check you are not being misled, you could go and see a Australian eq to Citizens Advice here in the UK or maybe your bank might be happy to look over it.
Also with the machine specs why not Google the parts and put a price to each one, that way you can get a good idea on how much profit they are going to make.
It seems to me personally that they are making quite a margin on this.
I'd be very, very careful before signing anything, they are there to make a profit; thats what the sales people are paid on.
You potentially could lose a lot more money that you would by missing the Alpha,
I would strongly suggest seeing if you can speak to someone not associated with the company to go through the credit terms before you sign anything, just to check you are not being misled, you could go and see a Australian eq to Citizens Advice here in the UK or maybe your bank might be happy to look over it.
Also with the machine specs why not Google the parts and put a price to each one, that way you can get a good idea on how much profit they are going to make.
It seems to me personally that they are making quite a margin on this.
I'd be very, very careful before signing anything, they are there to make a profit; thats what the sales people are paid on.
You potentially could lose a lot more money that you would by missing the Alpha,
Ergo, the store is way better than the leaflet implied
. You see, I like your DYI MSY builder much better than the ones in the leaflets (specifically the crappy RAM, ...). Have no problem with a store with good prices and not so good marketing @Mick - it is your money and your decision, but if I were to give you an advice it would be to stay clear of those overpriced stores like Harvey Norman. Get one base config like many posted around and go to a couple of specialized stores (or check online) and ask for a price quote (or use online configuration builders if they have one). Get your credit on a independent consumer credit company or at the bank. Spend no more than 2k, less if possible.
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