DB interview in Variety.com from E3

[Devari]

Could always ask the author, I mean he's right there on Twitter : https://twitter.com/aegies

Or I could just read the article he published instead. It's not remotely reasonable to expect someone to try to track down an individual journalist on Twitter to try to "confirm" the content of an article they wrote. It's not like they're going to send me their sources and recordings for my own verification which is what some people have claimed we are somehow supposed to use to "verify" what Braben literally said during the interview.

The attempts to defend an utterly untrue statement that Braben was quoted as saying are so absurd that the suggestions certain people are making have become utterly ridiculous at this point.

 

[Ian Skippy]

It's exactly this, I've said it before, there are some for whom this isn't a hobby, a pastime, or a game it's a lifestyle. To them it's almost a religious fervor and like all religious nutjobs will defend to the hilt their 'religion' however damning the evidence is against it. Woe betide anyone who criticises another persons religion.

I dont know, but from my perspective 'enjoying a game and talking about it' is significantly less bizarre than 'hanging around a forum of a game you dont like or even play for half a decade craptalking the product and those involved week after week.'

'Damning evidence'? This is just a game, not some grand inquisition...

Beyond that; anyone who says a CEO has no reason to lie about his product is insane.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Beyond that; anyone who says a CEO has no reason to lie about his product is insane.

Besides it throws any nuance out of window - CEO has no reason to lie about his product in case that all information he allegedly "lies" about is available public.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I dont know, but from my perspective 'enjoying a game and talking about it' is significantly less bizarre than 'hanging around a forum of a game you dont like or even play for half a decade craptalking the product and those involved week after week.'

'Damning evidence'? This is just a game, not some grand inquisition...

Beyond that; anyone who says a CEO has no reason to lie about his product is insane.

I think most CEOs lie. But in this case it seems bizarre when it is so easy to fact check.

 

[znôrt]

also may be an indicator of paid expansions in the (slow) pipeline.

another 'indicator' of paid expansions is the fact that they said several times there would be, and that this is what their stated business plan is all about. but here i might be just rushing to conclusions! [haha]

 

[Devari]

These things do happen and the editor probably didn't realise that the change was so wrong in so many ways if that is what happened. Or it could be DB just wording something badly. Again nothing out of the ordinary. The man isn't a God and can make mistakes. I'm sure we have all worded things badly in the past.

It's not a "mistake" that should be possible for the CEO of a company to make. He literally stated in that interview that his company has been providing expansions for free despite Horizons having been on sale for over 2.5 years. FD continues to sell Horizons in their store as separate expansion content right now. There are also several recent threads on the forums asking about when players can expect to see any actual value for the Lifetime Expansion Pass they purchased. There are also recurrent threads that ask about when to expect "premium" paid content as part of Beyond. The issue of paid expansion content is something that is being actively discussed on the forums right now. How could Braben not know any of this about his own game?

That is such a ludicrous mistake for him to make that it isn't "wording something badly". It's not being aware of basic facts about a product that FD has been selling for over 3.5 years.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

It's not a "mistake" that should be possible for the CEO of a company to make. He literally stated in that interview that his company has been providing expansions for free despite Horizons having been on sale for over 2.5 years. FD continues to sell Horizons in their store as separate expansion content right now. There are also several recent threads on the forums asking about when players can expect to see any actual value for the Lifetime Expansion Pass they purchased. There are also recurrent threads that ask about when to expect "premium" paid content as part of Beyond. The issue of paid expansion content is something that is being actively discussed on the forums right now. How could Braben not know any of this about his own game?

That is such a ludicrous mistake for him to make that it isn't "wording something badly". It's not being aware of basic facts about a product that FD has been selling for over 3.5 years.

Whatever dude. I don't really care to be honest.

 

[znôrt]

The first option ("The magazine is incompetent") isn't reasonable without some objective evidence to suggest that they are incapable of transcribing an interview properly.

The difference between the second option ("Braben lied") and the third option ("Braben does not understand how Elite was marketed")

ok, then your wording was just off, thanks for clarifying.

i would pretty much agree but i think this whole thing is being over analyzed. people are so eager to know about new stuff and the future that they cling to everything. it's just a promotional interview with a ceo, possibly even paid for (or not, no difference), what would you expect? it's not that braben has not shown to have a serious disconnect to reality on lots of occasions, often you got to ask yourself if he's talking about elite dangerous at all, or about some imaginary construct.

 

[Devari]

Whatever dude. I don't really care to be honest.

You honestly don't care that Braben apparently doesn't know basic information about how Elite is being sold?

I mean you are seriously claiming that doesn't bother you even a little? It doesn't concern you even slightly that the CEO of FD doesn't realize that we have paid for Horizons content?

I mean the minimum viable product approach almost sort of makes sense if Braben thinks he was giving us Horizons for "free". If he somehow forget we actually paid for it I can sort of understand why it was produced to such a low minimum viable product standard that was also extremely buggy and delivered a full year later than expected. After all, if Braben literally thought it was some sort of "free" product he gave us this entire time he probably thinks that we didn't have any legitimate expectation of any particular quality standard from FD.

That issue seriously doesn't bother you at all after how Horizons turned out and with the absolute mess we've gotten so far with Beyond?

 

[Eymerich]

Of special popcorn choking note was this statement:

"there haven’t been any really big changes, outside of changes to the business model, which hasn’t been particularly disruptive to us"

No, Dave. Just disruptive to your hardcore players and anyone who had hoped for a real product at the end of all this.

Frontier Developments have done well out of screwing the model though, so who cares?



I think after reading that, it would only be pertinent to enquire as to the process for claiming a refund for an LEP.

Prior to any meaningful changes being made before christmas.

Please let me know if you succed

--> "

Our expansions have been free, and the things you pay for are just vanity items, which in a multiplayer game just makes sense"

This is simple untrue.

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[-VR- Max Factor]

You honestly don't care that Braben apparently doesn't know basic information about how Elite is being sold?

I mean you are seriously claiming that doesn't bother you even a little? It doesn't concern you even slightly that the CEO of FD doesn't realize that we have paid for Horizons content?

I mean the minimum viable product approach almost sort of makes sense if Braben thinks he was giving us Horizons for "free". If he somehow forget we actually paid for it I can sort of understand why it was produced to such a low minimum viable product standard that was also extremely buggy and delivered a full year later than expected. After all, if Braben literally thought it was some sort of "free" product he gave us this entire time he probably thinks that we didn't have any legitimate expectation of any particular quality standard from FD.

That issue seriously doesn't bother you at all after how Horizons turned out and with the absolute mess we've gotten so far with Beyond?

Nope that is not what I am saying at all. Nice try though.

And if you new what MVP means you wouldn't call it that either. Barebones is a better description.

 

[Taimaru]

What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

Yes, the statement in that article is incorrect but do we know all the facts?

• Did DB truly say that or was he misquoted?
• If DB did say that were the exact words intentional or did he make a mistake when he said them? In the past I have said something and it's come out wrong and therefore had a completely wrong meaning.
• Was DB tired when he said that and therefore not thinking clearly?
• Did DB have a couple of drinks before saying that and therefore not thinking clearly?
• Was the interview carried out in a quiet room where all words could be clearly heard or was it in the noisy E3 exhibition hall where some words could have missed or misheard? The quote has a different meaning altogether if DB said "Some of our expansions have been free..."
  
• How good is the interviewer? Is he known to be a good trusted interviewer who never makes mistakes?

My point is we don't know all the facts that led to the results of the interview and we could be jumping to conclusions, but why let facts get in the way of a good FDev bashing...

 

[Eymerich]

What happened to "Innocent until proven guilty"?

Yes, the statement in that article is incorrect but do we know all the facts?

• Did DB truly say that or was he misquoted?
• If DB did say that were the exact words intentional or did he make a mistake when he said them? In the past I have said something and it's come out wrong and therefore had a completely wrong meaning.
• Was DB tired when he said that and therefore not thinking clearly?
• Did DB have a couple of drinks before saying that and therefore not thinking clearly?
• Was the interview carried out in a quiet room where all words could be clearly heard or was it in the noisy E3 exhibition hall where some words could have missed or misheard? The quote has a different meaning altogether if DB said "Some of our expansions have been free..."
• How good is the interviewer? Is he known to be a good trusted interviewer who never makes mistakes?

My point is we don't know all the facts that led to the results of the interview and we could be jumping to conclusions, but why let facts get in the way of a good FDev bashing...

So, because he said something which is clear untrue he needs to be defend at all cost…

Comeon… let's be serious here...

 

[Taimaru]

So, because he said something which is clear untrue he needs to be defend at all cost…

Comeon… let's be serious here...

I'm not defending him at all. If he truly did say and meant what was quoted then I would also pick up my virtual pitchfork.

All I'm saying is that we don't know all of the facts and therefore could be making an incorrect conclusion. Something I have learnt the hard and painful way is to never make an assumption and to gather as many facts as possible before stating something as fact.

 

[Ian Skippy]

So, because he said something which is clear untrue he needs to be defend at all cost…

Comeon… let's be serious here...

Alternatively, one could wonder why some people desperately comb every article and post about ED trying to latch on to what they perceive is wrong. Horizons is paid for. He knows that. You know it. The current season is free. He knows it. You know it. There will be paid-for stuff in the future. He knows it, and I presume you know it too.

Its just bizarre to see this explode into another 15-page whine fest within a day. If the article would claim DB said the servers would close soon, or FD is about to launch space legs and atmos within a week; yes, I would very much want some clarification on that. But this? This is complete non-news for anyone except those with an axe to grind.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

So, because he said something which is clear untrue he needs to be defend at all cost…

Comeon… let's be serious here...

Nobody has defended him at all. What people have been saying is that there is not enough information to judge.

But for some reason people seem to think that is defending someone. It isn't.

But that's the forum way: If you don't agree with my stupidly negative thought process you are a white knight, FDev fanboy, FDev shill, FDev apologist. The list goes on.

 

[thistle]

Nobody has defended him at all. What people have been saying is that there is not enough information to judge.

But for some reason people seem to think that is defending someone. It isn't.

But that's the forum way: If you don't agree with my stupidly negative thought process you are a white knight, FDev fanboy, FDev shill, FDev apologist. The list goes on.

Actually, I am defending him lol. Because whether by omission or misquoting, Braben obviously doesn't actually think or claim that Elite's expansions (ALL of them) have been free. Why would he lie? He would be right to qualify it to this years updates, which is likely what he was referring to.

The only possible reason to be upset, as some are, is if they think he's lying.

Do we actually think he's lying?

Why in the name of the wee man would he, it makes zero sense. I don't think we really need more information to know that Braben knows what his company has released, and has no intention of lying about it.

 

[GraXXoR]

So, because he said something which is clear untrue he needs to be defend at all cost…

Comeon… let's be serious here...

Over reaction, much?

It's called giving someone the benefit of the doubt. You might try it sometime.

If I see him give the same answers in another interview, then the chance that he was misquoted is a lot less... or if I hear the actual interview and catch the whole conversation then I'll make my mind up.
Until then, what he purportedly said makes zero sense. There is no point him lying about such an obvious thing. He is not the OPOTUS.

 

[znôrt]

My point is we don't know all the facts that led to the results of the interview and we could be jumping to conclusions, but why let facts get in the way of a good FDev bashing...

funny that you have so many concerns (maybe even valid ones) about accepting a published interview as fact, but have so little as to what constitutes 'dev bashing'. and your analysis here is?

 

[babelfisch]

Or I could just read the article he published instead. It's not remotely reasonable to expect someone to try to track down an individual journalist on Twitter to try to "confirm" the content of an article they wrote. It's not like they're going to send me their sources and recordings for my own verification which is what some people have claimed we are somehow supposed to use to "verify" what Braben literally said during the interview.

The attempts to defend an utterly untrue statement that Braben was quoted as saying are so absurd that the suggestions certain people are making have become utterly ridiculous at this point.

And yet it seems like the author was incompetent enough to not know about Horizons either, otherwise he would have asked DB directly when he said that all expansions have been free. So it's still entirely possible that the quote is not entirely accurate.