DLC18 discussion and predictions

AndyZoos

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Shocking nobody, I prefer the tree kangaroo. But the coati is super cool too. I'd like them both and I actually don't think one would preclude the other because of the specific, unique niches they both fill for their regions. If the final DLC winds up having global representation... Tree kangaroo is a logical choice to represent Oceania.

I'm also leaning into the PlanCo dictionary update here. Which I'm really not sure why people are ignoring fully? The baboon, tree kangaroo, and secretary bird all have more evidence toward a potential inclusion than literally any other animal folks are speculating about. Coati being #1 on the wish list is close but not quite as strong as the company literally inadvertently mentioning the names in their own materials.

So I honestly think we might get both.
 

PlanetZooLover

PlanetZooLover
AndyZoos said:
Shocking nobody, I prefer the tree kangaroo. But the coati is super cool too. I'd like them both and I actually don't think one would preclude the other because of the specific, unique niches they both fill for their regions. If the final DLC winds up having global representation... Tree kangaroo is a logical choice to represent Oceania.

I'm also leaning into the PlanCo dictionary update here. Which I'm really not sure why people are ignoring fully? The baboon, tree kangaroo, and secretary bird all have more evidence toward a potential inclusion than literally any other animal folks are speculating about. Coati being #1 on the wish list is close but not quite as strong as the company literally inadvertently mentioning the names in their own materials.

So I honestly think we might get both.
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we already have secretary, hamadryas/olive/gelada, and tree kangaroo confirmed which means next pack is the last so we transition to Planet Coaster 2 and Planet Zoo 2
 

PlanetZooLover

PlanetZooLover
last pack is a finale pack with hopefully 12 animals including markhor, musk ox, tree roo, baboon, secretary, walrus, south americans birds, south american primate, oddball, and the amazing king cobra and hopefully tamarin as walkthrough and exhibit.
 

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
AndyZoos said:
Shocking nobody, I prefer the tree kangaroo. But the coati is super cool too. I'd like them both and I actually don't think one would preclude the other because of the specific, unique niches they both fill for their regions. If the final DLC winds up having global representation... Tree kangaroo is a logical choice to represent Oceania.

I'm also leaning into the PlanCo dictionary update here. Which I'm really not sure why people are ignoring fully? The baboon, tree kangaroo, and secretary bird all have more evidence toward a potential inclusion than literally any other animal folks are speculating about. Coati being #1 on the wish list is close but not quite as strong as the company literally inadvertently mentioning the names in their own materials.

So I honestly think we might get both.
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That's exactly where I'm at. I think both are popular here and extremely cute (highly marketable).

At a minimum, I'm imagining (obviously Frontier can do whatever they want) South America would at least get one monkey, one bird, and the popular coati; Africa would get at least one bird and the baboon; Australasia would get its tree kangaroo; Asia would get a blackbuck; North America would get its long-requested bear and a bird; and Europe would get a critter and/or a bird.
 

PlanetZooLover

PlanetZooLover
SuzieSky said:
That's exactly where I'm at. I think both are popular here and extremely cute (highly marketable).

At a minimum, I'm imagining (obviously Frontier can do whatever they want) South America would at least get one monkey, one bird, and the popular coati; Africa would get at least one bird and the baboon; Australasia would get its tree kangaroo; Asia would get a blackbuck; North America would get its long-requested bear and a bird; and Europe would get a critter and/or a bird.
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if north america gets bird 100% wood duck or turkey
 

AndyZoos

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I wouldn't say that they are "confirmed." Key words are in the PlanCo dictionary (secretary, Hamadryas, and Goodfellow's) but there's a chance these could have been added over the years as species were considered, and then cut but...

That would have had to have been happening for years without anybody bothering to check the dictionary before updating it. And I would have to imagine developing a name for the species in PlanCo would be something that happens at the very end of development. Not something where they'd add it in before they knew it was going into the game...

Then again, "Howe" is in there which we know was cut.
 

Thylaco

Thylaco
Coati strikes me as easier (red panda starting point I would think), but my personal preference is Tree roo (though both are pretty much the same level to me).

If you want to be objective about it, the South American Coati are found in significantly more zoos, seemingly the most of any climbing species left, though that rarely seems to influence Frontier decisions.

South American Coati - 136
Cotton-top tamarin - 105
Common squirrel monkey - 92
Tufted Capuchin - 75
Common marmoset - 74
Hamadryas baboon - 65
Chinchilla - 62
Serval - 61
White-faced Saki - 57
Degu - 55
Pygmy marmoset - 53
Golden lion tamarin - 51

Red-handed tamarin - 48
Green monkey - 46

Rhesus macaque - 45
Emperor tamarin - 45

Goeldi's monkey - 42
Golden-headed tamarin - 41
Black-and-White Colobus - 40

White-fronted Marmoset - 39

Barbary ape - 38
Spectacled bear - 38

Crab-eating Macaque - 34
Lion-tailed macaque - 34

Sumatran Orangutan - 33
Racoon dog - 33

Kinkajou - 32
Patas monkey - 32
White-cheeked gibbon - 32

Eurasian red squirrel - 30
Ocelot - 30
Pallas cat - 30

Brown lemur - 29
Pig-tailed macaque - 29

Black howler monkey - 28
Sugar glider - 27
North american black bear - 27

Yellow-throated Marten - 25
Fishing cat - 25

Prevost's squirrel - 24
Olive baboon - 24
European Wild cat - 24
North American porcupine - 24

Bobcat - 23
Eurasian harvest mouse - 23

Northern lesser Bushbaby - 22
Sulawesi Crested Macaque - 22
Buff-cheeked Gibbon - 22
Pygmy slow Loris - 22
Prehensile-tailed porcupine - 22

Tayra - 21
Corsac fox - 21

Black lemur - 20
Francois' monkey - 20

Diana monkey - 19
Pileated gibbon - 19

Common Palm civet - 18
Weeper Capuchin - 18

Leopard cat - 17
Schmidt's monkey - 17
Red-bellied lemur - 17
Black mangabey - 17
Zebra mouse - 17

White-nosed Coati - 16
Jaguarundi - 16
Brown-headed spider monkey - 16
White-lipped tamarin - 16

Crowned lemur - 15
Saddle-back tamarin - 15
Golden-bellied capuchin - 15

Matschie's Tree Kangaroo - 14
Jungle cat - 14
South African vervet - 14
Stump-tailed macaque - 14
Northern pig-tailed macaque - 14
Northern Luzon giant cloud rat - 14

Northern Palm squirrel - 13
Pardine Genet - 13
Black-handed spider monkey - 13
Northern Slow Loris - 13
Pied tamarin - 13
Gelada - 13
Dusky leaf monkey - 13
Norway rat - 13
Gundi - 13

Siberian chipmunk - 12
Pine Marten - 12
Red Howler monkey - 12
Mona monkey - 12
Smallspotted Genet - 11
Geoffroy's cat - 11
Grey-legged douroucouli - 11
White-fronted brown lemur - 11
Drill - 11
Bolivian squirrel monkey - 11
White-throated Capuchin - 11
Silvered leaf monkey - 11

Feathertail glider - 10
Stone Marten - 10
Sable - 10
Black-eared marmoset - 10
Sooty mangabey - 10
Silvery marmoset - 10
Golden snub-nosed monkey - 10

Honorable mentions
Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo - 7
Coquerel's Sifaka - 7
Pacarana - 6
Gray fox - 5
 
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Chuditch

Chuditch
Thylaco said:
Coati strikes me as easier (red panda starting point I would think), but my personal preference is Tree roo (though both are pretty much the same level to me).

If you want to be objective about it, the South American Coati are found in significantly more zoos, seemingly the most of any climbing species left, though that rarely seems to influence Frontier decisions.

South American Coati - 136
Cotton-top tamarin - 105
Common squirrel monkey - 92
Tufted Capuchin - 75
Common marmoset - 74
Hamadryas baboon - 65
Chinchilla - 62
Serval - 61
White-faced Saki - 57
Degu - 55
Pygmy marmoset - 53
Golden lion tamarin - 51

Red-handed tamarin - 48
Green monkey - 46

Rhesus macaque - 45
Emperor tamarin - 45

Goeldi's monkey - 42
Golden-headed tamarin - 41
Black-and-White Colobus - 40

White-fronted Marmoset - 39

Barbary ape - 38
Spectacled bear - 38

Crab-eating Macaque - 34
Lion-tailed macaque - 34

Sumatran Orangutan - 33
Racoon dog - 33

Kinkajou - 32
Patas monkey - 32
White-cheeked gibbon - 32

Eurasian red squirrel - 30
Ocelot - 30
Pallas cat - 30

Brown lemur - 29
Pig-tailed macaque - 29

Black howler monkey - 28
Sugar glider - 27
North american black bear - 27

Yellow-throated Marten - 25
Fishing cat - 25

Prevost's squirrel - 24
Olive baboon - 24
European Wild cat - 24
North American porcupine - 24

Bobcat - 23
Eurasian harvest mouse - 23

Northern lesser Bushbaby - 22
Sulawesi Crested Macaque - 22
Buff-cheeked Gibbon - 22
Pygmy slow Loris - 22
Prehensile-tailed porcupine - 22

Tayra - 21
Corsac fox - 21

Black lemur - 20
Francois' monkey - 20

Diana monkey - 19
Pileated gibbon - 19

Common Palm civet - 18
Weeper Capuchin - 18

Leopard cat - 17
Schmidt's monkey - 17
Red-bellied lemur - 17
Black mangabey - 17
Zebra mouse - 17

White-nosed Coati - 16
Jaguarundi - 16
Brown-headed spider monkey - 16
White-lipped tamarin - 16

Crowned lemur - 15
Saddle-back tamarin - 15
Golden-bellied capuchin - 15

Matschie's Tree Kangaroo - 14
Jungle cat - 14
South African vervet - 14
Stump-tailed macaque - 14
Northern pig-tailed macaque - 14
Northern Luzon giant cloud rat - 14

Northern Palm squirrel - 13
Pardine Genet - 13
Black-handed spider monkey - 13
Northern Slow Loris - 13
Pied tamarin - 13
Gelada - 13
Dusky leaf monkey - 13
Norway rat - 13
Gundi - 13

Siberian chipmunk - 12
Pine Marten - 12
Red Howler monkey - 12
Mona monkey - 12
Smallspotted Genet - 11
Geoffroy's cat - 11
Grey-legged douroucouli - 11
White-fronted brown lemur - 11
Drill - 11
Bolivian squirrel monkey - 11
White-throated Capuchin - 11
Silvered leaf monkey - 11

Feathertail glider - 10
Stone Marten - 10
Sable - 10
Black-eared marmoset - 10
Sooty mangabey - 10
Silvery marmoset - 10
Golden snub-nosed monkey - 10

Honorable mentions
Goodfellow's Tree Kangaroo - 7
Coquerel's Sifaka - 7
Pacarana - 6
Gray fox - 5
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Zoo institutes isn't the best source for holdings compared to something like Zootierliste - for example, ZTL lists Goodfellow's tree kangaroo as present in 25 different zoos around the world (12 in Oceania, 11 in Europe and 2 in Asia), a lot more than just 7. Meanwhile, the South American coati is listed as being found in a whopping 471 zoos (455 in Europe, 45 in NA, 33 in Asia, 14 in SA, 2 in Africa and 2 in Oceania).
 
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Marvinb

Marvinb
Chuditch said:
Zoo institutes isn't the best source for holdings compared to something like Zootierliste - for example, ZTL lists Goodfellow's tree kangaroo as present in 25 different zoos around the world (12 in Oceania, 11 in Europe and 2 in Asia), a lot more than just 7. Meanwhile, the South American coati is listed as being found in a whopping 471 zoos (455 in Europe, 45 in NA, 33 in Asia, 14 in SA, 2 in Africa and 2 in Oceania).
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Wait why there are so few in NA? I thought they are super common over there aswell?

Edit: Oh you probably mostly have the white-nosed dont you?
 

Milurian

Milurian
Marvinb said:
Wait why there are so few in NA? I thought they are super common over there aswell?

Edit: Oh you probably mostly have the white-nosed dont you?
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based on my collection of what people have seen north americans do see the white nosed more often than the south america
 

Chuditch

Chuditch
Marvinb said:
Wait why there are so few in NA? I thought they are super common over there aswell?

Edit: Oh you probably mostly have the white-nosed dont you?
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Yeah there are 50 NA holdings for white-nosed coati, so they're slightly more common and bring the total coati holdings there to 95 on ZTL. Similarly whilst there are no Goodfellow's tree roos in NA they have 18 holdings for Matschie's (the USA, with 17 zoos listed, is the country with the highest number of tree kangaroo holdings besides Australia, which has 22 when you include both Lumholtz's and Goodfellow's tree roos).
 

Thylaco

Thylaco
Marvinb said:
Wait why there are so few in NA? I thought they are super common over there aswell?

Edit: Oh you probably mostly have the white-nosed dont you?
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This is apparently a map of all zoos worldwide from last year, so overall numbers are going to be biased towards Europe by the looks. USA apparently has 350, while Germany has 316.
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South American Coati: 40 USA, 78 Germany

White-nosed Coati: 33 USA, 14 Germany

Common Raccoon: 68 USA, 165 Germany
 
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KönigDerKaffeebohnen

K
Tldr for the last 10 or so pages:
  • unreasonable pack idears
  • straight up bad pack idears (come ob a third tiger and fourth rhino in the same pack, be better then that)
  • people realising that a pz 2 will most likly be mid as hell
  • a debate of if the best or second best non primate mammal left to be added should come to the game
 

The Carcharodontogenius

The Carcharodontogenius
RightWhale said:
Not bad I guess? Certainly some interesting animal choices. Personally I would make the following changes:
  1. Replace the elephant seal with a walrus, but if you want a pinniped from the southern hemisphere you might want a South American sea lion.
  2. I would personally replace the white tip reef shark with a species kept more frequently in captivity: the nurse shark. Especially as this species doesn’t have to constantly move to breath.
  3. Razorbills are cool, but maybe a species that would work better in Planet Zoo? Either an eider or a puffin.
  4. I would change the toebiter to a hermit crab. To be honest toebiters live in freshwater so they aren’t very coastal.
  5. I would replace the osprey with the green sea turtle. I don’t think we will get flying birds anytime soon.
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I chose the Whitetip Reef Shark & the Elephant Seal because I chose to be more creative.
As for the Razorbill, I chose it as respect for the Great Auk.
Captain Callum said:
Let's flip it around, the brown pelican is the only animal that actually has a chance in a coastal pack like that.
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Not even the Dolphin?
 

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
The Carcharodontogenius said:
Not even the Dolphin?
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I know the dolphin is a favourite but we do have to get fully working aquatics for those kinds of animals and frontier has to work out how to navigate the backlash of adding a controversial zoo animal. The pelican on the other hand is a very easy animal to add, we already have the rig with the swan and the pelican is arguably just as popular as dolphin requests.
 

Milurian

Milurian
Fallax said:
If we are to get up to three ungulates in the final pack which do you think are the most likely?
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If we keep up with the usual trend it will be something like grants gazelle, mountain zebra and masai giraffe

but if what everyone is manifesting does happen and the pack is south america focused it will probably be brazilian tapir, vicuna, and something like the pampas deer
 
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