DLC18 discussion and predictions

TheDuckKnight

TheDuckKnight
DarthQuell said:
Gravy, I was in 2004, but 2013 is when I started actually keeping the sets intact🤣
Still have my 2009 Indiana Jones figs. You have a Steven Spielberg minifig? One of the coolest minifigs ever to exist, I managed to snag one
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You have the Spielberg fig??? You lucky son of a nerfherder! I still have my Indy sets as well! The original Temple of the Golden Idol from Raiders is above my bed.

Essentially I have the overwhelming majority of Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, Spongebob, Jurassic Park (not World), and Star Wars - particularly original and sequel trilogy. No shade to the prequel era, but my house just doesn't have enough bloody physical room.

Also Dunder Mifflin, Sesame Street, Winnie the Pooh's tree, the Up House, WALL-E, as well as the Muppet, Disney, and Looney Tunes minifig lines.

And to tie it back to PZ, still no flying birds is the equivalent of never making a Y-Wing imo
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
TheDuckKnight said:
You have the Spielberg fig??? You lucky son of a nerfherder!
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I guess I am scruffy looking...
TheDuckKnight said:
Essentially I have the overwhelming majority of Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, Spongebob, Jurassic Park (not World), and Star Wars - particularly original and sequel trilogy. No shade to the prequel era, but my house just doesn't have enough bloody physical room.

Also Dunder Mifflin, Sesame Street, Winnie the Pooh's tree, the Up House, WALL-E, as well as the Muppet, Disney, and Looney Tunes minifig lines.
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That's a great collection. Mine consists mostly of Star Wars (all the 2013 Episode 2 sets and the Ewok village), LEGO Batman (most 2012 sets, but some 2015), and that's about it. Used to have Marvel and Jurassic World (2015), but sold those for room...
TheDuckKnight said:
And to tie it back to PZ, still no flying birds is the equivalent of never making a Y-Wing imo
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LEGO PlanZo!!!
 

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
Then there's me who sold all my sets years back.

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NZFanatic

NZFanatic
DarthQuell said:
It's not even that. Cats are almost always kept in covered enclosures. With that reasoning, then cats should be WEs as well. So should all primates, because I've never seen gibbons in open air enclosures...
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Not true at all. Certain cats are often kept in covered enclosures. Clouded leopards, for example. That's a dishonest argument. I won't even go near primates - there are hundreds of examples of gibbons in open air habitats, hundreds of examples of monkeys in open air habitats. Even tiny ones like tamarins and marmosets. I believe you are well aware of that.

Name one example of a scarlet ibis habitat in a zoo where they are in open air. Or puffins. Or burrowing owls.
Villanelle said:
Well they gave us swans which definitely fly
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Flamingoes can fly too, and so can cranes, and peafowl, and chickens. The thing is that in a zoo envrionment they often don't (usually because of wing-clipping, which is being generally phased out, but still exists). Again, when people use that example they are being disingenuous. It is very obviously not the same thing.
 

DarthQuell

DarthQuell
NZFanatic said:
Not true at all. Certain cats are often kept in covered enclosures. Clouded leopards, for example. That's a dishonest argument. I won't even go near primates - there are hundreds of examples of gibbons in open air habitats, hundreds of examples of monkeys in open air habitats. Even tiny ones like tamarins and marmosets. I believe you are well aware of that.

Name one example of a scarlet ibis habitat in a zoo where they are in open air. Or puffins. Or burrowing owls.

Flamingoes can fly too, and so can cranes, and peafowl, and chickens. The thing is that in a zoo envrionment they often don't (usually because of wing-clipping, which is being generally phased out, but still exists). Again, when people use that example they are being disingenuous. It is very obviously not the same thing.
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You can argue as much as you want, but the fact is simple: ibises would be perfect for the current mechanics and putting them in WEs would be stupid. Why should we have gotten cranes and flamingos, then, if they're kept in aviaries now.
I have yet to see gibbons and Tamarin's and marmosets in open air enclosures; heck, I've seen monkeys behind glass, not even mesh.

Just like the current in-game birds can flu, but they don't, it's the same reason for ibises; yeah, they fly, but they don't. They perch, but not high-up, they stay low to the ground. Your arguments aren't entirely valid and don't even apply to how the game works at all
 

Spiderhawk

Spiderhawk
So the JWE2 park managers pack is set up the way I like it. 1 lagoon, 1 aviary, 1 carnivore and 1 herbivore. While 2 are late Cretaceous and 1 Jurassic (idk what the Meg is from) they seem to be spread out enough.
Maybe the next animal dlc will be Zoo keepers collections dlc and it can cover a variety of bases 1e and 1 WTE with animals that necessarily from one region or closely related to another.
 

NZFanatic

NZFanatic
Villanelle said:
I wasn't being disingenuous, thank you.
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What else would you call it, then? Swans are very obviously in a different category.
DarthQuell said:
ibises would be perfect for the current mechanics and putting them in WEs would be stupid. Why should we have gotten cranes and flamingos, then, if they're kept in aviaries now.
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Are you serious? As I literally explained, ibises are not in the same category as flamingos and cranes. Both those birds are still regularly kept outside of aviaries with clipped wings, even in the modern day. It is therefore perfectly valid for them to be that way in the game.

And honestly, I don't even care whether they include ibises as habitat or exhibit animals. It makes no difference to me (1. because I don't think we'll get them regardless, making it a moot point, and 2. because my objection was to the idea that the WTE is a 'crazy' option for them when it obviously isn't).
DarthQuell said:
I have yet to see gibbons and Tamarin's and marmosets in open air enclosures; heck, I've seen monkeys behind glass, not even mesh.
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You're not looking very hard. I refuse to believe you have never heard of zoos keeping primates on open air islands, for example. That's just ludicrous.
DarthQuell said:
They perch, but not high-up, they stay low to the ground. Your arguments aren't entirely valid and don't even apply to how the game works at all
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In that first video Utahraptor shared they are perched very high up. Not low to the ground. As for whether my argument is "valid", I don't actually think you even know what I'm arguing.

And I'm not even sure what your last sentence is supposed to conextually mean. There is no argument around "how the game works". We don't have any aviary birds in the game at all (and most likely never will), so there is nothing to compare it to.
 

NZFanatic

NZFanatic
Utahraptor104 said:
Bauru zoo keeps they scarlet ibis in open top exhibits, as you can see in this video:
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Utahraptor104 said:
zoopark Itatiba keep they ibis on open air too:
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You can't actually see in either if they are open-topped, but I'll take your word for it. Those zoos both seem to be in the animal's native range anyway.

Once again, though, I don't actually care either way. My objection was to the idea that it's "crazy" to imagine them as a WTE animal instead of a habitat animal. It's not crazy. It's a perfectly reasonable position. If they gave us a habitat ibis, I'm not going to complain that they should be a WTE animal (this isn't a koala situation where they retrospectively would have worked better as an exhibit animal like the sloths). It really doesn't actually matter. It's the notion that anyone who actually likes the WTE or exhibits in general is somehow wrong that I object to, and it's been a recurring theme throughout the game's lifespan.

E.g. tamarins and marmosets. I would much prefer these as WTE animals if they ever came. IMO it makes sense; they are tiny, they are often (but again, not always) kept in closed-top habitats, and building a tiny climbing habitat is a pain in the ass due to habitat animal hitboxes (I don't want another platypus situation).
 

NZFanatic

NZFanatic
Captain Callum said:
Why does the ibis suggestions always turn into this? Just agree to disagree.
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For gods' sake:
NZFanatic said:
Once again, though, I don't actually care either way. My objection was to the idea that it's "crazy" to imagine them as a WTE animal instead of a habitat animal.
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I'm not even disagreeing with the idea that they could be habitat animals. Just once again any suggestion that the WTE is a perfectly fine game feature leads to a bunch of rabid objection.

Kind of hard to "agree to disagree" when I don't even disagree to begin with.
 
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