DLC18 discussion and predictions

Marvinb

Marvinb
DragonNTiger said:
It explains the wrists and lack of feathers because that's what frogs have; pronated wrists and no feathers... what has DNA that puts the eyes into the wrong place?
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I mean frog dna "explains" lack of feathers, but not why they have scales instead, shouldnt they have frog skin then?

Listen i dont really feel like arguing over an impossible sci fi scenario so lets keep it at that :D
 

SuzieSky

SuzieSky
PlanetZooLover said:
I wanna see where we could go with this, if you could make 1-5 DLC's for this game. What would the pack and roster, what could it bring to the game and how can it bring animals that the entire community wants.
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Probably not realistic, but I can dream:

Scrub Animal Pack: secretary bird, Hamadryas baboon, serval, spurred tortoise, blackbuck, rhea, mara, Australian 4x4 lizard
  • High Wishlist Animals: secretary bird, Hamadryas baboon, blackbuck (kind of)
  • High General Appeal: serval, secretary bird
  • Addresses: birds (2), primates (1), South America (2), Asian ungulates (1), reptiles (2), Patagonia, Middle East, and maybe India turn green
Mountains Pack: spectacled bear, golden snub-nosed monkey, Goodfellow's tree kangaroo, wapiti/bighorn sheep/mountain goat, markhor, Pallas's cat, guereza, and horizontal wood set and a few Himalayan props instead of an exhibit animal.
  • High Wishlist Animals: spectacled bear, tree kangaroo, markhor
  • High General Appeal: bear, tree kangaroo, cat, GSNM for China, iconic ungulate for US (given the # of players, these 2 throw a bone to a bunch of players)
  • Addresses: primates (2), South America (1), Asian ungulates (1), Himalayas and New Guinea turn green
Avian Expansion: This would be more expensive and adds a ton of birds, but they would only use a handfull of models. I can think of 5 good ones from each habitat bird group, but it could be ~3.
  • Cranes: grey-crowned, demoiselle, paradise, sarus, and the sandhill or whooping crane
  • Ibises: scarlet, sacred, Madagascar, glossy, crested
  • Ducks: Mandarin, mallard, white-faced whistling, NA wood, Muscovy
  • Pheasants: Golden Pheasant, Silver Pheasant, Lady Amherst's Pheasant, Reeves's Pheasant, Common Pheasant
  • Flying Birds:
    • Large Parrots: macaws, cockatoos, and a African grey parrrot would work well in a WE.
    • Small Parrots: lorikeets, budgies, conures, lovebirds, and parakeets would be similar and could use a WE.
    • Toucans/Hornbills: Toucans and hornbills would also be good for a WE.
    • Raptors: There could be a new exhibit type for "injured" raptors. They would walk between branches and maybe flap their wings sometimes, but I don't think they'd fly. The bald eagle, snowy owl, and Eurasian eagle owl seem to be the main obvious ones, but there are other species from those groups as well as vultures/condors that would be nice to have.
    • Oddballs: The kookaburra seems too popular and iconic to leave out. There are some other good options.
  • This attempts to address the biggest general wish accross all communities.
Tropical Neotropical Animal Pack: Geoffroy's spider monkey, South American coati, ocelot, red-rumped agouti, southern tamandua, Arrau turtle, Golden lion tamarin, and at least 2 additional Tamarins/Marmosets instead of an exhibit animal. Also, there should be plants.
  • High Wishlist: Spider Monkey, GLT, Coati
  • High General: GLT, Ocelot, Coati, maybe spider monkey if it brachiates and has color morphs
  • Addresses: Primates (4+), South America (7), Reptiles (1) Tropical Houses are now possible, and much of the region can turn green
Finale would contain 3 animals for each continent, a habitat bird, a mammal, and a reptile. There are also 2 for the arctic, and they bring the total to 20.
  • Africa: Ground Hornbill/Guineafowl/Shoebill/Stork (Pick one), Honey Badger, Chameleon
  • Europe: Great White Pelican, European Rabbit/Other Critter, Legless Lizard
  • Asia: Bar-Headed Goose, Muntjac, Cobra
  • North America: Wild Turkey, Black Bear, Snapping Turtle
  • South America: Roseate Spoonbill, Howler Monkey, Emerald Tree Boa
  • Australia: Black Swan, Echidna, Perentie
  • North Pole: Musk Ox, Walrus
  • Adds some finishing touches to each continent and the bird roster. All regions are at least green at this point.
Missing Animals/Potential Aniversary Slots: Nile Crocodile, De Brazza's Guenon, Pere David's Deer, Raccoon Dog, Indian Monkey
 

CharlieXGaming

CharlieXGaming
PlanetZooLover said:
I wanna see where we could go with this, if you could make 1-5 DLC's for this game. What would the pack and roster, what could it bring to the game and how can it bring animals that the entire community wants.
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Alright time to answer this,

🌴 Latin America Animal Pack
The last region pack and I’m pretty sure the most needed one, a pack dedicated to South America being as realistic as possible.
Roster:
  • South American Coati
  • Black Howler Monkey
  • Spectacled Bear
  • Ocelot
  • Greater Rhea
  • Patagonian Mara
  • Vicuna
  • Emerald Tree Boa (E)

🌿 Evergreen Animal Pack
Basically just a woodlands pack but evergreen sounds cooler)
And with the last region pack comes the last major biome pack left assuming they’re not gonna do a tundra pack, a woodlands pack can give us a a few highly requested species from NA, Asia and Europe.
Roster:
  • European Rabbit
  • American Black Bear
  • Gaur
  • Japanese Serow
  • Rocky Mountain Elk
  • Golden Pheasant
  • European Hedgehog
  • Wood Turtle (E)

🏝️ Coastal Pack
Even though woodlands was the last “major” biome pack a coastal pack can also take off a couple highly requested species from the list.
Roster:
  • Atlantic Puffin
  • Great White Pelican
  • Walrus
  • Sea Otter
  • Hermit Crab (E)

🥾 Zookeeper Collection Animal Pack
My strategy here was to scratch off 1-2 top meta animals in the last 3 packs or complete patterns (SA & NA getting packs to complete the regional pattern) so there are only a few left for a collection pack.
Roster:
  • Hamadryas Baboon
  • Secretary Bird
  • Goodfellow’s Tree Kangaroo
  • Serval
  • Blackbuck
  • Wood Duck
  • Gerenuk
  • Chameleon species (E)
 
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Thylaco

Thylaco
Captain Callum said:
I'm guessing some time in september, techinally still a summer dlc even if its a bit late.
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December is the start of Australian summer, so it could be a Summer DLC in that sense if we're unlucky.

DragonNTiger said:
I dunno man... that tease made everyone think "Cenozoic pack" but what we got was a filler pterosaur and two dinosaurs litterally no one would want if not for their barely existing link to canon... if they did the same for PZ, I'd be a bit nervous...
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I would say the only thing filler about the Pterosaur was the name, had they called it Hatzegopteryx, suddenly it's what people asked for. It does track pretty well with previous JWE2 pterosaur decisions, with putting Maaradactylus & Tropeognathus instead of Ornithocheirus, Jeholopterus instead of Anurognathus, and Barbaridactylus instead of Nyctosaurus. Being a low diversity group, I'm guessing they were keeping desired names for JWE3 from basically the start, or just making a captain's call each time.

As to the Canon species, they were pretty constantly asked for, just for the sake of completing a set. As far as I'm aware, that sort of request doesn't really exist for PZ, maybe all animals from the zoo tycoons I guess? It doesn't really seem to pop up that often.

There'd be a similar desire for completeness from any zoo builder themed on a media source, like Harry Potter or Star Wars for example.
 

DragonNTiger

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Thylaco said:
I would say the only thing filler about the Pterosaur was the name, had they called it Hatzegopteryx, suddenly it's what people asked for. It does track pretty well with previous JWE2 pterosaur decisions, with putting Maaradactylus & Tropeognathus instead of Ornithocheirus, Jeholopterus instead of Anurognathus, and Barbaridactylus instead of Nyctosaurus.
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  • Tropeognathus is one of the most significant pterosaurs of South America and Maaradactylus was chosen because of its species name... Ornithocheirus is a fragmentary mess that people only know from its fictionalized appearance in WWD.
  • Jeholopterus is one of the smallest animals in the game... Anurognathus is tinier than everything in the game.
  • Can't speak about Barbaridactylus... maybe they were worried about size?
The point is, there's some decent and obvious logic to these choices...
 
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Fini

Fini
PlanetZooLover said:
@Fini ,Fulfill your dreams with the Mallard mod and if Mallard is added you got an official boi
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Marvinb said:
For the time being id recommend throwing baby swans on there. They look very convincing from a distance :)
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That's not the same :cry:


CharlieXGaming said:
Ask and you shall receive ✨
https://www.canva.com/design/DAGMM_...share&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton
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OMG, this is my absolute dream pack! 9.5/10 (I really like the puffin, but the green sea turtle would be the cherry on the cake)
 

Thylaco

Thylaco
DragonNTiger said:
  • Tropeognathus is one of the most significant pterosaurs of South America and Maaradactylus was chosen because of its species name... Ornithocheirus is a fragmentary mess that people only know from its fictionalized appearance in WWD.
  • Jeholopterus is one of the smallest animals in the game... Anurognathus is tinier than everything in the game.
  • Can't speak about Barbaridactylus... maybe they were worried about size?
The point is, there's some decent and obvious logic to these choices...
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Indeed there is reason for it. I would guess Barbaridactylus was due to it's appearance in Prehistoric Planet (it is only few months after though, and there's two others more shown from that scene, Alcione & Tethysdraco), or just for an African pterosaur.

It does still go against what was obviously more commonly suggested.
 

Spiderhawk

Spiderhawk
So we likely gonna hear a lot about Pc2 as this is the first frontier direct since its announcement.
They have got to be aware of the stress we PZ fans have this year and would be a lot cooler if they mention something today even if it is a “hang on a little longer”
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
SuzieSky said:
Avian Expansion: This would be more expensive and adds a ton of birds, but they would only use a handfull of models. I can think of 5 good ones from each habitat bird group, but it could be ~3.
  • Cranes: grey-crowned, demoiselle, paradise, sarus, and the sandhill or whooping crane
  • Ibises: scarlet, sacred, Madagascar, glossy, crested
  • Ducks: Mandarin, mallard, white-faced whistling, NA wood, Muscovy
  • Pheasants: Golden Pheasant, Silver Pheasant, Lady Amherst's Pheasant, Reeves's Pheasant, Common Pheasant
  • Flying Birds:
    • Large Parrots: macaws, cockatoos, and a African grey parrrot would work well in a WE.
    • Small Parrots: lorikeets, budgies, conures, lovebirds, and parakeets would be similar and could use a WE.
    • Toucans/Hornbills: Toucans and hornbills would also be good for a WE.
    • Raptors: There could be a new exhibit type for "injured" raptors. They would walk between branches and maybe flap their wings sometimes, but I don't think they'd fly. The bald eagle, snowy owl, and Eurasian eagle owl seem to be the main obvious ones, but there are other species from those groups as well as vultures/condors that would be nice to have.
    • Oddballs: The kookaburra seems too popular and iconic to leave out. There are some other good options.
  • This attempts to address the biggest general wish accross all communities.
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I mean this would probably make me scream if I saw this.

I know I am not what a lot of the fan base is, but hands down if we get a bigger “bird pack” that only expanded on the types of birds we had in game I would still happily buy it! I’ll kind of go off of yours:
  • Cranes: whooping, grey crowned crane, demoiselle, brolga
  • Storks: painted, saddle billed, marabou, white, shoebill
  • Ibis + Spoonbill: scarlet, Madagascar, bald, roseate
  • Ducks: white faced whistling, mandarin, wood duck, common eider, Muscovy
  • Geese: barred, nene, Canada, magpie
  • Pelicans: great white, Australian, brown
  • Swans: trumpeter, black
  • Ratites: greater rhea, elegant crested tinamou
  • Penguins: gentoo, rockhopper, humboldt
  • Game birds: golden pheasant, reeves pheasant, red jungle fowl, wild turkey, ocellated Turkey, Congo peafowl, himilayan monal
I don’t even need flying birds if Frontier doesn't want them, I would be happy just to expand on what we can already do.
 

jcp011c

jcp011c
CharlieXGaming said:
Alright time to answer this,

🌴 Latin America Animal Pack
The last region pack and I’m pretty sure the most needed one, a pack dedicated to South America being as realistic as possible.
Roster:
  • South American Coati
  • Black Howler Monkey
  • Spectacled Bear
  • Ocelot
  • Greater Rhea
  • Patagonian Mara
  • Vicuna
  • Emerald Tree Boa (E)

🌿 Evergreen Animal Pack
Basically just a woodlands pack but evergreen sounds cooler)
And with the last region pack comes the last major biome pack left assuming they’re not gonna do a tundra pack, a woodlands pack can give us a a few highly requested species from NA, Asia and Europe.
Roster:
  • European Rabbit
  • American Black Bear
  • Gaur
  • Japanese Serow
  • Rocky Mountain Elk
  • Golden Pheasant
  • European Hedgehog
  • Wood Turtle (E)

🏝️ Coastal Pack
Even though woodlands was the last “major” biome pack a coastal pack can also take off a couple highly requested species from the list.
Roster:
  • Atlantic Puffin
  • Great White Pelican
  • Walrus
  • Sea Otter
  • Hermit Crab (E)

🥾 Zookeeper Collection Animal Pack
My strategy here was to scratch off 1-2 top meta animals in the last 3 packs or complete patterns (SA & NA getting packs to complete the regional pattern) so there are only a few left for a collection pack.
Roster:
  • Hamadryas Baboon
  • Secretary Bird
  • Goodfellow’s Tree Kangaroo
  • Serval
  • Blackbuck
  • Wood Duck
  • Gerenuk
  • Chameleon species (E)
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Absolutely love all of these ideas! It would be a dream.

Unfortunately I think getting a whole year of DLC in 2025 is about as likely as flying birds, to say sadly, not at all.

At this point I'll be thrilled if we just get more than one DLC. Though I realize you were just answering the question as presented. Nothing wrong with wishing or dreaming!
 

NachoB

NachoB
RightWhale said:
I mean this would probably make me scream if I saw this.

I know I am not what a lot of the fan base is, but hands down if we get a bigger “bird pack” that only expanded on the types of birds we had in game I would still happily buy it! I’ll kind of go off of yours:
  • Cranes: whooping, grey crowned crane, demoiselle, brolga
  • Storks: painted, saddle billed, marabou, white, shoebill
  • Ibis + Spoonbill: scarlet, Madagascar, bald, roseate
  • Ducks: white faced whistling, mandarin, wood duck, common eider, Muscovy
  • Geese: barred, nene, Canada, magpie
  • Pelicans: great white, Australian, brown
  • Swans: trumpeter, black
  • Ratites: greater rhea, elegant crested tinamou
  • Penguins: gentoo, rockhopper, humboldt
  • Game birds: golden pheasant, reeves pheasant, red jungle fowl, wild turkey, ocellated Turkey, Congo peafowl, himilayan monal
I don’t even need flying birds if Frontier doesn't want them, I would be happy just to expand on what we can already do.
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Yeah. That's what i always say. I would happily tarde many of the mammals for more than one bird per pack.

While nice i never really needed stuff like saiga, dama gazelle, lechwe, donkey, etc.
 

RightWhale

RightWhale
Marvinb said:
Really should have been a ~1 bird per pack trend in the first place
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I genuinely think I wouldn’t be as insane as I would be if this was the trend. It’s such a simple thing to do too. If this was the case South America and North America would have already had a bird species. Instead of none at all! And no, the King Penguin doesn’t count as a South American bird! I don’t care what Frontier says if they really wanted to push a South American penguin we would have got the humboldt.
 

NachoB

NachoB
Marvinb said:
Really should have been a ~1 bird per pack trend in the first place
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Maybe but some packs are fine as they are like the Europe pack. Same with SA (as much as i would love the rhea and a different monkey species all four animals are key to SA). But getting a bird or two per animal pack instead of a hundred different ungulates, some of them very obscure or rare, would have done a lot for the bird roster.
 
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