DLC18 discussion and predictions

Yeah but what if like we have been saying this is just the first of several cover arts for the same pack? If it is a wrap up pack and bigger than usual with animals from all around the world that would be a good way to reveal the roster. Maybe next week we get a Orange/yellow cover art with three savanah/grasslands/desert animals (idk secretary, honey badger and tortoise). And the other week you get a Green cover with three tropical animals (Sifaka, coati, Tamandua) and so on.
I feel like multiple key arts for one DLC would be very confusing, unecessary exta work and just odd. Just make one for the pack, blending all aspects of the pack into one image.
 
I feel like multiple key arts for one DLC would be very confusing, unecessary exta work and just odd. Just make one for the pack, blending all aspects of the pack into one image.
Yeah also you would probably set up a ton of people for one hell of a dissapointment.
If they teased multiple different key arts, all with wildly different themes the obvious conclusion would probably to expect multiple dlcs
 
I would also like to add that we are still at the point where the vote ratio of animals has not plateaued the ones at the top are there by a significant amount so the top animals are at the top for a reason until we get to a point where the drop between top 10 top 20 and top 50 is almost non existent then they are still significant additions.
This is a strong point. I would be curious, though... When the wish list first started, what was the #1 critter and how many votes did it have?

I think that's the better way to look at it. Because if it's double the votes for our current #1 or something? I see the argument that we're getting into "niche" territory (relatively speaking).

I am but honestly none of the contenders seem that bad, unless it’s the collection pack with the sifaka and dik-dik because of the dictionary - god I hope they don’t waste slots on those 😭
I would low-key love both of those two, TBH! But I'd want a few other, significantly more obvious, selections to be covered first.

Still annoyed about the lack of answers.
I imagine the African leopard and whatever else comes with that anniversary update is clearly not happening on the anniversary to give space for PC2.
Still doesn’t seem like it will arrive the same time as the new dlc.
What time would you expect the free “anniversary” update to be?
The implication from the stream was that both would be releasing the same day with the anniversary update doubling as our "free update" that usually coincides with the DLC release.

So it could be anywhere from October 8th or later.

I don't know but the concept of an Old World Pack is really odd to me. Like would Frontier really release a pack like that?
I swear I'll let this go, but here's my case:
1. The flags, lanterns, and tent are Nepalese/Tibetan. You can easily find pictures on Google that match. I don't think it's an Asia pack, we just had Eurasia and I think the color pallete would be red, because stereotypes. Which brings me to my next point.
2. If it was a Zookeeper's Collection Pack the theming would be less specific and the color would probably be green. I'd also suspect we'd have an animal like the secretary Bird in the key art. The cool blue definitely signifies mountains too me, but on a side note I was kind of hoping the color would be gray.
3. Lastly, yes there is a lack of obvious mountains in the back. I think that's a design flaw. However, look at the Pallas's cat, it's clearly on a rock ledge. The baboons are on a rock structure. And I think the markhors are in some sort of alpine meadow.
There, I rest my case
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Honestly, I think an Old World Animal pack could be in play...
  • The "leaked" dictionary animal names that were deleted would readily fit that category
  • The decor would also fit that general theme; color scheme doesn't matter with a theme like this either
  • The image in the key art "clicks" with that vibe as do the animals they picked to be in the key art
The things that go 'against' this idea is what the key art isn't (e.g., that general vibe could be better represented with temple ruins somewhere in the shot) and the fact that such a pack would almost certainly imply that we'd be getting a New World Animal pack at a later point (which doesn't feel likely).

So it's possible. But I'd put it behind highlands and another more general pack as far as likelihood goes.

But those flags and lanterns are not unique to the Tibet/Himalayas and they have not been confirmed to represent that.

Also why is there a Zookeeper in the cover? Has that happened before? If it is the first time a Zookeeper is clearly and purposely shown here is because it has some significance imo.
Somebody posted screenshots of the key art for two scenery packs (Aquatic and something else) where there's a keeper just walking around. But this is the first time we've had a keeper (a) silhouetted for an animal pack, and (b) actually doing something keeper-y.

So yeah, I guess it could be significant. But it could also just as likely have zero significance and just be an artistic decision because the person behind it liked the way it looked. It's pretty obvious they're going for a different style with this one than they have for prior animal packs. Could just be a matter of a new person doing it. But I also look at it and it feels odd because you have that random markhor behind the keeper that kinda looks like a rock...
 
But I'd want a few other, significantly more obvious, selections to be covered first.
Thats mainly what my issue is with them. I have nothing against the Sifaka and Dik-Dik, they're cool animals but its obvious in a zookeeper pack they're gonna be the oddballs, and its irritating that out of all the groups they choose to have a wildcard from, its primates. For them to look at South America and go "this place doesn't need any primates right? yeah lets just add one from Africa its cute it'll make money" would be incredibily frustrating. Even the flipping Saki would be better - its cute, meme-able, and it actually adds something to South America which needs it.
 
Yeah but this being the last pack all sloths should be used for fairly requested animals. Tbh the Sifaka hasn't come up much as a need for the game in the past few years. It is a cool addition but when you could give the community a duck, new world monkey, coati, more habitat birds whatever they are for the same amount of work or even less then why pick the Sifaka?
Pretty simple answer here: Particularly if it's a finale pack, I could see them allowing the development team to pick a species or two that they personally would like to see in the game.

The interesting thing is that the roster for this pack is going to hinge fully on what the mystery animals are at the moment, the pack size, likelihood for another pack, etc. Like, the sifaka and dik-dik would be excellent oddball choices to people if they represented 2 of 10 species in a bigger-than-usual animal pack... With others being much more requested. But if they're 2 of 7 in a standard pack? The response would be a little more tepid.

A bunch of separate themes all crammed together into one pack sounds like the absolute worst decision they could do. To me it screams “We’ve thought of plenty more viable pack ideas but we’re intentionally chopping up and neutering them, buy PZ2 you suckers,” which isn’t a good look.
Nah, a general theme is the best possible outcome TBH. It would open a lot more options in terms of species selection. It's a pretty great look, TBH. Much better to incorporate species from across the globb and of different varieties than to focus on a specific region or biome.

Also: A PZ sequel is an excellent look for Frontier. Anybody who is a PZ fan and says they won't pre-order it when it releases is lying to themselves. The discourse from a lot of people around this is going to age poorly. After 2+ years of no new content people will be ready to press the reset button I can 100% guarantee it.

At this point i honestly have no feelings about this last pack whatsoever. Maybe slightly happy about some of the animals revealed l. But since i know they will probably ignore SA and Birds once again (or at least the animals i want) i have no expectations about this DLC so in the end i really don't care if the Sifaka ends up showing up or not but it would be a very controversial pick.

At least the dik dik has been mentioned frequently when talking about small ungulates which is a niche it still needs to be fill.
Yeah, the more I read through this thread and digest stuff... I'm realizing most of what people are thinking about and speculating is a legit possibility.

I also keep thinking that, time and time again, this community gets super close to guessing what the pack theme is but gets the name wrong. Or we think something is super obvious and we nail a few species but get the general theme wrong.

So I'm prepared for something way out of left field that nobody is discussing. :ROFLMAO:
 
Assuming its a highlands pack, the possible (but unlikely) addition I'd actually be most excited for besides the tree kangaroo is the southern corroboree frog. I don't think Frontier would do them given they're not exactly well known or widely kept animals, but as one of the most iconic species of Australia's alpine regions (and I do mean proper alpine, not just mountainous) and a conservation icon I could see them having a small chance. The wild population numbers as little as 30-50 individuals in the wake of chytrid fungus, climate change, bushfires and habitat degradation by introduced hoofstock, but zoos like Taronga, Melbourne and Healesville maintain much larger captive populations as insurance in case they go extinct in the wild.

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They should add the frog disco from Melbourne Zoo as a new guest facility 😌:

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Being kept in only a few Australian zoos though, they wouldn't be useful to most people but me.

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Assuming its a highlands pack, the possible (but unlikely) addition I'd actually be most excited for besides the tree kangaroo is the southern corroboree frog. I don't think Frontier would do them given they're not exactly well known or widely kept animals, but as one of the most iconic species of Australia's alpine regions (and I do mean proper alpine, not just mountainous) and a conservation icon I could see them having a small chance. The wild population numbers as little as 30-50 individuals in the wake of chytrid fungus, climate change, bushfires and habitat degradation by introduced hoofstock, but zoos like Taronga, Melbourne and Healesville maintain much larger captive populations as insurance in case they go extinct in the wild.

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They should add the frog disco from Melbourne Zoo as a new guest facility 😌:

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Being kept in only a few Australian zoos though, they wouldn't be useful to most people but me.

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I would adore corroboree frogs!
 
Thats mainly what my issue is with them. I have nothing against the Sifaka and Dik-Dik, they're cool animals but its obvious in a zookeeper pack they're gonna be the oddballs, and its irritating that out of all the groups they choose to have a wildcard from, its primates. For them to look at South America and go "this place doesn't need any primates right? yeah lets just add one from Africa its cute it'll make money" would be incredibily frustrating. Even the flipping Saki would be better - its cute, meme-able, and it actually adds something to South America which needs it.
It’s honestly strange how we have a proboscus monkey and now a baboon but no spider, saki, titi, tamarin, howler. Even colobus monkey or a langur is way more likely to be encountered in the zoo than proboscus.
 
And the white-tailed deer. I have no idea why no one wants to consider the deer as essential as the bear, but they go hand in hand for me. Absolutely indispensable species for any North American collection featuring native fauna. Honestly I’d want to go as far as including the coyote and North American river otter as well, but I know those are a totally lost cause. And if we’re counting birds, the sandhill crane and a turkey are right up there with them.
I agree, but the WTD gets more hate than the ABB
 
Yeah but what if like we have been saying this is just the first of several cover arts for the same pack? If it is a wrap up pack and bigger than usual with animals from all around the world that would be a good way to reveal the roster. Maybe next week we get a Orange/yellow cover art with three savanah/grasslands/desert animals (idk secretary, honey badger and tortoise). And the other week you get a Green cover with three tropical animals (Sifaka, coati, Tamandua) and so on.
That's exactly what I've been saying. But I don't know man, its looking like the Savannah Animals is the Secretary Bird, Kirk's Dik-Dik and African Spurred Tortoise. If we had tropical it would be Tree Kangaroo, Sifaka and the 10th habitat animal for this pack that is not in the dictionary yet.
 
Assuming its a highlands pack, the possible (but unlikely) addition I'd actually be most excited for besides the tree kangaroo is the southern corroboree frog. I don't think Frontier would do them given they're not exactly well known or widely kept animals, but as one of the most iconic species of Australia's alpine regions (and I do mean proper alpine, not just mountainous) and a conservation icon I could see them having a small chance. The wild population numbers as little as 30-50 individuals in the wake of chytrid fungus, climate change, bushfires and habitat degradation by introduced hoofstock, but zoos like Taronga, Melbourne and Healesville maintain much larger captive populations as insurance in case they go extinct in the wild.

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They should add the frog disco from Melbourne Zoo as a new guest facility 😌:

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Being kept in only a few Australian zoos though, they wouldn't be useful to most people but me.

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Id kill for nehprurus amyae
 
Their Europeans, we view wtd as a pest and not in any zoos.
I'm from here and think the WTD is almost as important as the ABB.

Plus, kangaroos are pests in Australia. And dromedary camels and wild boars are pests everywhere. The whole "it's a pest here don't want it" argument is so silly because animals can be considered pests anywhere
 
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I know I've been reposting this but to keep it fresh. It's looking like the final and next pack is a Celebration pack theme. So far we have 2/8 dictionary animals confirmed, one that was out of the dictionary being Palla's. This means that this pack will and has to be a 12 animal pack so is Sifaka and Dik-Dik being 2/12 animal's that bad. I mean one solves the small ungulate niche and the other can bring some pretty cool and hardcore animations.

Expect this pack to be the same price as GhostBusters DLC Collaboration.

Once again the dictionary animals "leaked" were,

Markhor
Hamadrya's Baboon
Sifaka
Echidna
Dik-Dik
Goodfellows
Secretary
Spurred [As in African Spurred Tortoise]
 
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