DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

TremendousTimAllen

TremendousTimAllen
Swjosdotschka said:
The more I play Planet Coaster 2, the more I WANT things to stay mostly the same between PZ and PZ2. The new controls, the new grid highlights, the new UI sorting of building items, the oversaturated graphic, the low foliage quality, the missing multi-recolor tool, the constant clicking and more all are so TERRIBLE and tear the fun out of me so much while playing, that ME, who was always looking forward to a sequel and justified its possible existence and was really looking forward to it is HONESTLY considering never to play a sequel until I am guaranteed they do NOT change controls and UI.
I'm still trying my best to learn PC2s way, but I feel more and more it has been programmed by people who never played a Planet game in their life.

And unpopular opinion, but I hate the new path system, but that is at least something I can probably learn to use down the line. The rest, espacially the new multi-select tool and the weird item sorting is something I will never get used to though, and it was the worst decision they ever made.
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Having not playing Planet Coaster 1 or 2, but having seen the fairly universal dislike towards its approach from players, I'm a little wary of a Planet Zoo sequel, but we all know it's coming sooner or later. It of course has the easy upside of aviaries and aquariums, scalable construction pieces (PLEASE!), changes to exhibits (1x1 exhibits for insects as a start) and a pathing rework, I also heard that PC2 allows multi-threading which would be pretty massive for Planet Zoo, considering large zoos literally have to not include animals in order to run at a playable FPS. There are also so many small things like adding drinking fountains, playgrounds, binoculars, camera improvements that would go a long way. I think if it's done well a sequel would be incredible and make the game significantly better.

But I do fear a lot of the things they could do such as what you've said, and omitting species seems very likely unfortunately. I'd be cautiously optimistic and if I'm being honest I love this game too much to not buy the sequel when it's released, but my response when playing the sequel could vary massively

With that said, honestly the timeline between DLC 19 and 20 makes it seem plausible that planet zoo 2 is a lot further away than we probably expected only a month ago. Whether that's in response to PC2 and they want to shore up a bit of easier money through DLC or it's always been the plan to do it this way, I don't know. It's all speculation at the end of the day, but it seems highly unlikely they have such a short turnaround on DLC then stop making them straight afterwards
 

NZFanatic

NZFanatic
DarthQuell said:
To Aussies, it's a roadkill animal.
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Not...really, though. The kangaroo is the Australian national animal. In countries like Australia, New Zealand, or even in many places in Africa, Asia, and South America, most of the species we consider "roadkill" are introduced from, you know, Europe and America. Hedgehogs and the like. Our native animals are delicate and have protected status. Plus, people in these countries expect to see our native animals in zoos, and often go for that purpose. We don't have kiwi wandering into our back gardens to rifle through our trash.

At the same time, animals like the skunk, raccoon, coyote, red fox, and so on, aren't considered "exotic" in the same way lions, tigers, or elephants are. Our media culture is imported from America; the attitudes you have towards such species is similarly imported to some extent. Like, I like skunks because I think they're kind of weird and cute but they don't excite me the way a gorilla does, and I'd sooner see a kiwi than a raccoon.

The bald eagle might be a better comparison to the kangaroo.
 

Tinou97

Tinou97
Seeing all this
yoav_r said:
"All of Asia covered with scenery"

Lists 30% of Asia
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Tbh I agree with NachoB here. We kinda have everything we need we it comes to asian scenery. Sure we could say yes to some pieces for central Asia and Himalayan stuff but I'm not sure it's necessary because we already are able to build nice things with pieces that are already in game and also because those regions are not heavily represented when it comes to animal species.
For the Middle-East I'm also okay with what we currently have. I never built a zone specifically for Middle-East in my zoos. It's always grouped in a more general zone with North Africa.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
TremendousTimAllen said:
scalable construction pieces (PLEASE!),
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Just yesterday I struggled to have SMALL rocks as edges for a flower bed, because the scaleability of each rock is very limited. And that also goes for building pieces. So yes, you can scale items. Yes, that sometimes is nice. But also very often the building piece is LARGE and it stays large, because the scaling range is so limited.
I also glorified the feature when I saw it and it is nice to have for sure, but it's really not such a game changer for building as it seems at first glance. If anything, needing to hit X three times now (arrows for moving, circles for turning, circle for scaling) just adds to the feeling of playing "Planet Click" and slows down the building process.

So conclusion: With smaller building items it is a really cool feature, with bigger items it sucks.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
Mjmannella said:
You either die a Zoo Tycoon or you live long enough to see yourself become The Sims 4
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It's the vibe I am getting with the latest low effort content but same price DLCs, yeah. And I just hope they won't continue this road with PZ2.
On the other hand, they received more backlash for the questionable release of PC2 than EA ever got for Sims 4 and Frontier stepped the hell up. Something EA hasn't done for a long time. So *thankfully" we are still dealing with a company that is not completely lost in the clouds.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
yoav_r said:
What was questionable about it? I'm nothing the loop
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It was very unfinished, to the point where people called it early access or even alpha release. It was extremly buggy. It still suffers from the parallel release between pc and console because no part is happy with the changes to the controls. It was ins a MUCH worse stage than PZ at release and has more or less only catched up since last update.
 

Artemisya

Artemisya
I love Planet Zoo it's probably one of the games I've spent the most money on. But if PZ2 doesn't come with serious, amazing updates, there's no way I'm buying it. Am I supposed to pay for the base game and DLCs for species I already own? Or pay for a game that doesn't even include the species I'm used to, just for some fish and birds? Maybe on Black Friday, if there are amazing deals and the updates are truly worth it.
 

yoav_r

yoav_r
Swjosdotschka said:
It was very unfinished, to the point where people called it early access or even alpha release. It was extremly buggy. It still suffers from the parallel release between pc and console because no part is happy with the changes to the controls. It was ins a MUCH worse stage than PZ at release and has more or less only catched up since last update.
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Planet Zoo was rather finished when released. The only things I can think that did not work fully were the super quick time passage and the lack of deep diving.
 

Alexjh

Alexjh
Marvinb said:
The super iconic stuff sure, we already got elephants, rhinos, tigers, peacocks and stuff but not much apart from that really. And imo those filler animals are equally needed for representing an area than the big names. I mean africa would also look rather empty if you only had your elephants, giraffe, lion, gorilla and zebra but no antelopes, red river hogs or baboons.
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I mean, for sure, but I would argue that if you are looking at pound per pound representation power for any single country, it's extremely hard to beat indian elephant, bengal tiger, indian rhino, peafowl, sloth bear, gharial, dhole, snow leopard, markhor etc, I'd argue maybe only Australia manages it.

Now, for sure you can make something very robust, even with that's left, but the real big name is an exhibit (king cobra) and the lion tail macaque probably blocks getting a langur which imo would have been next most essential. After that, Guar and Yak are up there but v unlikely to get a double bovine. Same with Chital and Sambar for deer.

It's doable for sure, but does feel a little plugging gaps.
 

Marvinb

Marvinb
Alexjh said:
I mean, for sure, but I would argue that if you are looking at pound per pound representation power for any single country, it's extremely hard to beat indian elephant, bengal tiger, indian rhino, peafowl, sloth bear, gharial, dhole, snow leopard, markhor etc, I'd argue maybe only Australia manages it.

Now, for sure you can make something very robust, even with that's left, but the real big name is an exhibit (king cobra) and the lion tail macaque probably blocks getting a langur which imo would have been next most essential. After that, Guar and Yak are up there but v unlikely to get a double bovine. Same with Chital and Sambar for deer.

It's doable for sure, but does feel a little plugging gaps.
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Yeah but at this point what do you want to do with DLCs other than plugging gaps?
There really are no places left that have missing pieces of the caliber of tigers, elephants and stuff.
 
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