DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

So what about a forest pack, it's kinda like how Wetlands had animals from all sorts of climates and sub-biomes so this is a mix of temperate and tropical. Also I forgot black bear, so let's just say that was the anniversary animal.
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Great another pack perfect for a coati without the coati. 10/10.

Joke aside i would replace pere David deer with Elk, since the other deer i associatte more with wetlands than forests. And would change the duck for a pheasant (don't kill.me RightWhale) and remover the raccoon dog and include the coati instead of course.
 
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Great another pack perfect for a coati without the coati. 10/10.

Joke aside i would replace pere David deer with Elk, since the other deer i asociarte more with wetlands than forests. And would change the duck for a pheasant (don't kill.me RightWhale) and remover the raccoon duck and include the coati instead of course.
I do agree, personally I just tried to include a variety of forest and I guess the Père David’s Deer is like a Wetlands forest rep. while there are probably better animals to represent a forest bird, I think the duck works well, though a turkey or pheasant would also be great. the main reason why there is no coati is though to the bush dog and Sifaka, these two where the new rigs of there packs and both aren't super popular, so I kinda was following that trend with the Martin, personally I would prefer a coati over it, but the Martin is nice, also the bush dog would be perfect for a Racoon Dog. Moral of the story is that frontier will never add a coati because there giving us the HYRAX, LETS GOOOOOOOO, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I love it. Are perentie's forest animals? I thought they were more deserty. EDIT: Oh okay it's a tegu :)

I would get an owl in there if I were allowed such a thing.
A good pack for the ABB, maybe instead of the perentie.
Perhaps a langur or macaque instead of the squirrel monkey to keep the theme firmly as 'forests' and not 'rainforests'?
I just couldn't find room for the ABB, though they are a better choice compared to the Racoon Dog. Also I was trying to go for a variety of forest, from tropical, temperate, dry, even wetlands. I do wish a owl was allowed to 😔.
 
As much as I'd love an India pack, if we get another pack it'll be much more likely to be a safari/Africa 3 pack than India/south Asia
I can kind of see a safari pack having a focus on Africa considering Americas has a focus on SA while also throwing something to NA, so i certainlly believe we could get 1 or 2 non african animals.
Yeah, if there's two packs left - which I think is not that likely but what do I know - some kind of Safari with a focus but not totality of African species would be my hopes. I want so much to include the Honey Badger, the Mara and the Secretary Bird but wonder if they would be too resource heavy for the current developer's team.

But my dream roster would be those three, the Masai Giraffe (So controversial I know), Nile Crocodile, Blackbuck and Bat Eared Fox/Jackal - though I can see the Serval making it in instead of one of those - however no matter that roster, of out of those they were be the pretty low resource part of the roster.
Personally a safari pack should be made of secretary, blackbuck, tegu, ratel, marsh deer, bat eared fox and hyrax, there's still a overall focus on Africa, but India is still receiving two animals and SA is receiving another two aswell
 
By the looks of things the best option for the next pack would be to base it on a biome (eg Savannahs) or a lifestyle (eg Arboreal). If it were based on a location, I think India would make the most sense:

1. Asiatic Lion
2. Blackbuck
3. Hanuman Langur
4. Wild Yak (bit of a stretch but it has a small presence in India - Gaur would fit better but Yak is more visually and ecologically distinct from existing bovids in game)
5. Lion-Tailed Macaque
6. Greater Adjutant Stork
7. Asian Palm Civet
It would make the most sense = Frontier be like "Nah".

Having an only south/Latin America Pack would have made sense - NA already had an animal pack. Including the most wanted animal from SA on the Meta Wishlist would have made sense... but nope...

And Frontier would go with the Gaur instead of Yak, because easier to make - though in this case at least I wouldn't mind.

Don't get me wrong, I like your pack. But looking at current packs... I don't think we stand a chance.
 
Man I know you guys want a new looking lion, but I’d be so sad to have a slot wasted imo on the asiatic lion. So many better picks than another flavor of big cat
It's not my first preference, but from the perspective of assuming we'll get a clone or 2 per pack, it's definitely my favourite option for a clone.
 
The doomposting is wild lol. “Clones” are always going to happen they always have. But the Bush Dog still happened and the Saki has more work done to it than expected from first glance. The Lechwe wasn’t a clone and everyone touted that as a clone. Idk, I know y'all are jaded and I know Frontier isn’t doing any favors with how they’re treating the community but these animals people are saying aren’t possible are really not that difficult for them to make.
 
The doomposting is wild lol. “Clones” are always going to happen they always have. But the Bush Dog still happened and the Saki has more work done to it than expected from first glance. The Lechwe wasn’t a clone and everyone touted that as a clone. Idk, I know y'all are jaded and I know Frontier isn’t doing any favors with how they’re treating the community but these animals people are saying aren’t possible are really not that difficult for them to make.
exactly the americas pack wasnt as effortless and clone heavy as people seem to think. The saki has a completely new tail to the capuchin. The bush dog has multiple new animations and is the first deep diving canid a feature that most people were surprised to see. All the models were of at least 2023 quality and with the exception of the rhea people have been happy with the designs.
If they can put 2 climbing animals and a new deep diving rig in the same pack surely adding a honey badger and a pelican arent that hard
 
1 or 2 clones is optimistic looking at the Américas pack lol
+ at least 3 easy to make one, looking at the Americas Pack, leaves us with max. 2 that cost more effort. (For Americas that would have been Saki and Bush Dog).

So yeah, honestly, I am team another Lion. Just like the Fkamingo it is a clone I basically only paid once for, so it wouldn't stretch my tolerance thin. But I'm sure Frontier is already eyeing the asiatic ibex.
 
+ at least 3 easy to make one, looking at the Americas Pack, leaves us with max. 2 that cost more effort. (For Americas that would have been Saki and Bush Dog).

So yeah, honestly, I am team another Lion. Just like the Fkamingo it is a clone I basically only paid once for, so it wouldn't stretch my tolerance thin. But I'm sure Frontier is already eyeing the asiatic ibex.
Idk. Tbf with them most of the ungulates we have are pretty distinct from one another. Only exceptions might be thomson's gazelle and springbok, black and blue wildebeast (that even in that case they do look very different from one another), oryx and gemsbok (same case as wildebeast), the african rhinos and now the dall and big horned sheep and most of those are from base game anyway so a better Quality option is welcomed. They have never done a hard clone with the ungulates until now with the sheep.
 
Some personal thoughts on the recurring clones and quality of the animals discussion.
I don't really get why "clones" apparently are bad? We have 202 species now in the game (160 habitat species), of course at some point there are just not so many unique animals left that require a complete rig or model. Of course Frontier prefers to use existent rigs, animations etc as it is less time consuming. So what?
Also, I think we underestimate the effort that is even necessary for "clones" to create. I do not have any knowledge about creating animals or things for a video game but I guess it's more difficult to change "minor" things like changing the rhea's wings for example than we think.
I still disagree with the opinion that the animals of the recent packs had lower quality than in the years before. Apart from the rhea issue but this happened before as well, think about the binturong. The bighorn may be a "clone" but so what? But for the rest? I wouldn't even call the flamingo a "clone". The juvenile flamingo is completely different to the juveniles of the greater flamingo (which is more a subadult) and the adults got a much improved feather work, the coyote got unique sounds and why the rest of the animals are not as low effort as some think have been mentioned here already. Same thing for the Zookeeper's pack.
That said animals like a pelican are not out of reach in my opinion, not all.
 
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Idk. Tbf with them most of the ungulates we have are pretty distinct from one another. Only exceptions might be thomson's gazelle and springbok, black and blue wildebeast (that even in that case they do look very different from one another), oryx and gemsbok (same case as wildebeast), the african rhinos and now the dall and big horned sheep and most of those are from base game anyway so a better Quality option is welcomed. They have never done a hard clone with the ungulates until now with the sheep.
With the Rhonos I'd argue White Rhino and Black Rhino here, but honestly, I also don't mind those too much.

At the end of the day the term "clone" is stretchy, that's why I usually prefer "easy to make". Those are the animals where even animations or sound do not need much if any rework.
And yes, better quality is exactly the reason why I am team asiatic lion.
 
Some personal thoughts on the recurring clones and quality of the animals discussion.
I don't really get why "clones" apparently are bad? We have 202 species now in the game (160 habitat species), of course at some point there are just not so many unique animals left that require a complete rig or model. Of course Frontier prefers to use existent rigs, animations etc as it is less time consuming. So what?
Also, I think we underestimate the effort that is even necessary for "clones" to create. I do not have any knowledge about creating animals or things for a video game but I guess it's more difficult to change "minor" things like changing the rhea's wings for example than we think.
I still disagree with the opinion that the animals of the recent packs had lower quality than in the years before. Apart from the rhea issue but this happened before as well, think about the binturong. The bighorn may be a "clone" but so what? But for the rest? I wouldn't even call the flamingo a "clone". The juvenile flamingo is completely different to the juveniles of the greater flamingo (which is more a subadult) and the adults got a much improved feather work, the coyote got unique sounds and why the rest of the animals are not as low effort as some think have been mentioned here already. Same thing for the Zookeeper's pack.
That said animals like a pelican are not out of reach in my opinion, not all.
The bush dog got the same thing going on as the pallas cat tho. The model is good quality but the animal doesnt really look like its supposed to
 
The bush dog got the same thing going on as the pallas cat tho. The model is good quality but the animal doesnt really look like its supposed to
YES.

Idk why they insist on the stylized cartoonish faces for some animals. Every time that happens people ask for the animals to be redone in a more realistic look, like with the binturong or the hyena. So just make them realistic from the get go lol
 
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YES.

Idk why they insist on the stylized cartoonish faced for some animals. Every time that happens people ask for the animals to be redone in a more realistic look, like with the binturong or the hyena. So just make them realistic from the get go lol
Yeah idk either. Maybe its an effort to make them look cuter and more marketable? Thats something the pallas, bush dog, binturong and hyena have in common, they all have kinda weird looking faces
 
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