DLC20 Discussion (maybe, but why not?)

I just realised something. Elephants and lion tailed macaques appear in Disney's Jungle Book movie, and there's a honey badger in the Jungle Book animated series. Jungle Book is based in India of course, so it's easy to associate the words Jungle and India. In the concept art there's the prominent river which makes me think of the Jungle Cruise ride/movie. I think this is going to be the Jungle animal pack
That would be funny theme, but it would also make a very clone-heavy line-up:
  • Indian wolf
  • Black panther (Indian leopard)
  • Himalayan black bear
  • Northern fur seal
  • Pacific walrus
  • Lion-tailed macaque
  • Honey badger
  • Indian python (exhibit)

To be completely honest i think the whole "there to represent india" breaks apart rather quickly.
Imo the most straightfoward conclusion to seeing an elephant on the cover art is that there is an elephant in the pack like it was with every other animal pack so far. So i think the most reasonable thing to think would be: elephant on the cover -> elephant in the pack -> has to be another subspecies since we already have the indian -> pack theme cant be india.

I think the elephants being there to represent india could still be the intend by Frontier, but imo that would not really be a smart move.
Like the elephants atleast equally argue against india than they do in favor of it.

So as much as i also dont want another elephant i think we all should expect a big, grey dud in the pack
Interesting the reasoning.
Either the elephants are there to indicate that this is an Indian pack AND we are NOT getting any elephant, because elephants are emblematic of India and we aren't going to get the same animal twice.
Or either the elephants are there to indicate that we are getting a new elephant AND this is NOT an Indian pack, but it won't be the Indian subspecies because we aren't going to get the same animal twice.
The only common thing is that those background elephants aren't an afterthought, they are giving us some key hint.
(Please be the first option, please be the first option)
 
With how recent the americas pack still is i also wouldnt be suprised i this was a pretty early teaser and its gonna take longer than the usual 2 weeks.
Maybe but it's gonna be this month...
We are pretty sure that Jurassic World Evolution 3 is coming in july alongside the movie Jurassic World 4.
Even Planet Coaster 2 has a really big update 6 (with 2 returning theme) coming this june...
And we have to consider the summer holidays... Frontier is normally really quiet from mid-july to mid-august
If the next planet zoo dlc doesn't come out in the next few weeks, it's gonna be end of august or mid september which is pretty far from now.

the perfect roll out is planet zoo next dlc, a week later planet coaster 2 update 6 and a week after that, JWE3 annoncement. 2-3 weeks later, JWE3 is out.
And just for the stats, Planet Zoo makes better numbers than planet coaster 2 on PC...
 
Yes but no... because they showed us key art that screams "Indian theme".
To me it doesn’t. The honey badger is mostly known from Africa. Asian Elephants are commonly used in all of South and Southeast Asia. Safari tents and umbrellas are a global thing, as are rivers. The only thing in the key art that ‘screams India’ is one column. Compared to, say, Americas, this cover is very light on regional theming. Besides, we already have an Indian theme since the base game.

I’m not saying it can’t be India, it’s still a good chance. But the cover doesn’t do it justice if we compare it to earlier packs.
 
It's always been on my list, but the more I think the higher it rises. Definitely my most wanted animal from this pack. The only issue is, genetically, it's just a population of the exact same subspecies (Panthera leo leo) as the West African Lion (those damn scientists, accurately classifying animals!). There is no precedent currently in game for this, all species have a different scientific name. So either they break that precedent and have 2 with the same name (which I'm fine with) or, even better, they add the Asiatic Lion as P. leo leo and change the West African Lion to Southern African Lion, Panthera leo melanochaita (highly doubt they'd do that honestly).

The other alternative is to stick their fingers in their ears and ignore the reclassification of the Asiatic Lion and just call it by its old name, Panthera leo persica (which was changed after research in 2017, before the game was even released - it's probably the silliest solution).

Regardless, I hope it's in the game, but if it is, no matter how they do it, an extremely mild controversy will happen
P. l. persica is still used in scientific research and even though the research that originated the reclassification doesnt recognize them as differente suspecies it still recognizes some diferences:

These summary tables are presented at the end of each species section to providea quick-to-read summary to help in rapid assessment of taxonomic certainty of taxa within and between species. Key: ++ good evidence withincategory, e.g. skull/pelage; mtDNA/nDNA; + some evidence or reasonable, inference within category; - was investigated, but no evidence tosupport distinction; o has never been investigated.

This is not my area so if someone understands this better go ahead and correct me
 

Attachments

  • 1748877956990.png
    1748877956990.png
    64.9 KB · Views: 26
The thing here is that imo, this feels an odd spot in the devopment cycle for an India pack? Like, while there's still some great potential here, imo we're pretty much cleared out on iconic stuff that is Indian Subcontinent exclusive?

Like if we were going to do single nation pack, I feel Brazil or China have the foundations for a stronger pack this late in the game?

Overall, I feel like there's something we are missing here?
 
Overall, I feel like there's something we are missing here?
Same, I have the same feeling since the beginning. The wording in the stream "Also, what I do love watching is our community sort of pull this stuff apart working out like the where they are, what its gonna be, and all the animals that might be in it." Idk, maybe I am looking to much into this, but MAYBE BIG MAYBE there is more, then we saw by now? I don't know.
 
Another reason why I think this is that, seeing how recent DLCs worked, it's probably going to include scenery... and I doubt the theme for the scenery is gonna be called "India" again (since we already have an India theme in the base game).
I was thinking that too. Because of that, one theory I have is if this is “South Asia” themed with a building-and-scenery theme in it, like the three others before, the best I could find that they’re doing is a South Asian theme that’s based on Nepal architecture than Indian.
1748881732208.jpeg
 
I still hope it’s gonna be just general Asia
Yeah but one sloth already wasted on an elephant is already making me angry lol

Honey badger
Lion tailed macaque

And then i would go mostly india and china...

Blackbuck
Golden pheasant
Mandarin duck
Reeve's Muntjac

But if general Asia Pack i think the raccoon dog is very very likely because of the bush dog (unfortunally because i don't want them)
 
Same, I have the same feeling since the beginning. The wording in the stream "Also, what I do love watching is our community sort of pull this stuff apart working out like the where they are, what its gonna be, and all the animals that might be in it." Idk, maybe I am looking to much into this, but MAYBE BIG MAYBE there is more, then we saw by now? I don't know.
Yeah I think you're reading too much into it for sure. They just think it's nice that part of the community goes in looking for clues, but at the end of the day the key-art is used for marketing purposes for the entire community and they're not going to deliberately leave stuff out to or try to play games with us here. They're trying to sell packs first and foremost.

I’m not saying it can’t be India, it’s still a good chance. But the cover doesn’t do it justice if we compare it to earlier packs.
Frankly, I feel the opposite, the cover-art is pretty solid if you ask me.

1. It's clearly some sort of tropical location. It's obvious from the forested hills in the back, the use of palm trees and even the use of of Strangler Fig 03 (it matches up perfectly) on the right.
2. The colors used are very reminiscent of the SEA pack. This honestly should be one of the biggest hints that this is not something like a safari pack; because when you ask a random person to think of safaris the colors they'll associate it with are reds, oranges and yellows ( and frankly, a freakin' safari pack would very prominently feature a jeep somewhere).
3. Two of the three animals we can see clearly are animals from Asia. The third is still blurry, but it's hard to say that they're any form of African animal.
4. The only really clear structure we can see is the Indian Support Column, being part of an Asian oriented theme in the game. The other structures we see are too blurry to really make out. I don't see the safari tent you're referring to, and frankly I don't even see the umbrellas. Most people I've talked to just think the things in the middle are trees.

IDK, all the contextual clues point towards something tropical and something Asian. We can speculate about the details from "is it an Indian pack or a South Asia pack or an Asia pack?"; but in general I think the key-art so far is doing its job pretty well.

Aren’t the pack art based off the scenario maps?
The key art isn't, the pictures of the animals and the trailer are always made using the scenario map.

I feel like Australia Pack was less about the country and more about the island/"continent" (subcontinent?)
In its marketing it was somewhat ambiguous if you ask me, as it primarily talked about the Australian Outback which would point it towards it being about the country, but the steam page specifically mentions the Australian continent so I'm more inclined to think that it is indeed more about the continent.

"Make meaningful decisions and manage an amazing living world as you bring the grand continent of Australia home in the Planet Zoo: Australia Pack."

.. and I doubt the theme for the scenery is gonna be called "India" again (since we already have an India theme in the base game).
This however seems less like an issue to me tbh. We already had an Africa theme and so the Africa Pack's theme was called "North Africa". We already had a New World theme so they went for "Fiesta" for Americas. I'm sure that if it turns out to be India that they'll find a name that works for it.

It kinda makes me hope that we are getting an India pack even, because I think it's what this form of pack really works well for. Don't bother trying to make a full theme out of 60 to 80 pieces. Instead, use one of the base game sets and extend it so we can use it in more creative ways. The Africa Pack and the Europe pack did such a good job with that, it's a shame that a pack concept that fits it so well doesn't seem to do it more often.

Yeah but one sloth already wasted on an elephant is already making me angry lol
Nacho please, whilst I can't guarantee that there's no elephant in this pack I'm pretty sure they aren't harming sloths here!
 
Yeah I think you're reading too much into it for sure. They just think it's nice that part of the community goes in looking for clues, but at the end of the day the key-art is used for marketing purposes for the entire community and they're not going to deliberately leave stuff out to or try to play games with us here. They're trying to sell packs first and foremost.


Frankly, I feel the opposite, the cover-art is pretty solid if you ask me.

1. It's clearly some sort of tropical location. It's obvious from the forested hills in the back, the use of palm trees and even the use of of Strangler Fig 03 (it matches up perfectly) on the right.
2. The colors used are very reminiscent of the SEA pack. This honestly should be one of the biggest hints that this is not something like a safari pack; because when you ask a random person to think of safaris the colors they'll associate it with are reds, oranges and yellows ( and frankly, a freakin' safari pack would very prominently feature a jeep somewhere).
3. Two of the three animals we can see clearly are animals from Asia. The third is still blurry, but it's hard to say that they're any form of African animal.
4. The only really clear structure we can see is the Indian Support Column, being part of an Asian oriented theme in the game. The other structures we see are too blurry to really make out. I don't see the safari tent you're referring to, and frankly I don't even see the umbrellas. Most people I've talked to just think the things in the middle are trees.

IDK, all the contextual clues point towards something tropical and something Asian. We can speculate about the details from "is it an Indian pack or a South Asia pack or an Asia pack?"; but in general I think the key-art so far is doing its job pretty well.


The key art isn't, the pictures of the animals and the trailer are always made using the scenario map.


In its marketing it was somewhat ambiguous if you ask me, as it primarily talked about the Australian Outback which would point it towards it being about the country, but the steam page specifically mentions the Australian continent so I'm more inclined to think that it is indeed more about the continent.

"Make meaningful decisions and manage an amazing living world as you bring the grand continent of Australia home in the Planet Zoo: Australia Pack."


This however seems less like an issue to me tbh. We already had an Africa theme and so the Africa Pack's theme was called "North Africa". We already had a New World theme so they went for "Fiesta" for Americas. I'm sure that if it turns out to be India that they'll find a name that works for it.

It kinda makes me hope that we are getting an India pack even, because I think it's what this form of pack really works well for. Don't bother trying to make a full theme out of 60 to 80 pieces. Instead, use one of the base game sets and extend it so we can use it in more creative ways. The Africa Pack and the Europe pack did such a good job with that, it's a shame that a pack concept that fits it so well doesn't seem to do it more often.


Nacho please, whilst I can't guarantee that there's no elephant in this pack I'm pretty sure they aren't harming sloths here!
A safari theme would also work very well with the new format imo. Ive seen alot of "wildlife rangers basecamp" type theming pop up in zoos recently, especially in african areas.
I feel some binoculars, tracking devices and research equipment would be right at home in a Safari pack alongside some other outdoorsy stuff like camping cookers and radios for example.
 
Frankly, I feel the opposite, the cover-art is pretty solid if you ask me.

1. It's clearly some sort of tropical location. It's obvious from the forested hills in the back, the use of palm trees and even the use of of Strangler Fig 03 (it matches up perfectly) on the right.
2. The colors used are very reminiscent of the SEA pack. This honestly should be one of the biggest hints that this is not something like a safari pack; because when you ask a random person to think of safaris the colors they'll associate it with are reds, oranges and yellows ( and frankly, a freakin' safari pack would very prominently feature a jeep somewhere).
3. Two of the three animals we can see clearly are animals from Asia. The third is still blurry, but it's hard to say that they're any form of African animal.
4. The only really clear structure we can see is the Indian Support Column, being part of an Asian oriented theme in the game. The other structures we see are too blurry to really make out. I don't see the safari tent you're referring to, and frankly I don't even see the umbrellas. Most people I've talked to just think the things in the middle are trees.

IDK, all the contextual clues point towards something tropical and something Asian. We can speculate about the details from "is it an Indian pack or a South Asia pack or an Asia pack?"; but in general I think the key-art so far is doing its job pretty well.
I agree that Asia makes sense. More than India in my opinion, mostly due to the colours. But this is also because personally I'd associate India more with orange. Looking at the image again, the umbrellas may be trees. If that's the case, they look like they belong to a savannah biome.

I definitely don't think the them is safari either (unless stretched broadly), or rainforests as some have suggested. The honey badger predominantly lives in different terrains and the background doesn't even show a rainforest.
 
A safari theme would also work very well with the new format imo. Ive seen alot of "wildlife rangers basecamp" type theming pop up in zoos recently, especially in african areas.
I feel some binoculars, tracking devices and research equipment would be right at home in a Safari pack alongside some other outdoorsy stuff like camping cookers and radios for example.
Yup, and that in itself compliments themes like the Africa theme quite well.

I tend to agree with the sentiment that we don't necessarily need more themes (aside from a generic zoo theme with mudwalls) but I do think that there's still plenty of room left to flesh out existing themes that need it.
 
And what's all this talk about a 3rd elephant? We're not getting one, they just shoved an elephant on the cover because elephants are iconic to Asia, particularly India, and we already have the Indian elephant in-game. There's no way we're getting a 3rd, random elephant subspecies.
We'd more likely get a 2nd zebra or giraffe over an elephant
 
Triple post, I'm sorry. If this is indeed an India themed pack, can I just say that it's quite interesting that the latest packs have catered towards bringing the map up to green? Despite the choices of the Americas pack, we can't really deny that it didn't add much needed rep to the region. It was that pack that made the map lose red and orange.
Now, India is on the table. It was the only other area, apart from SA, that was yellow and feeling a tad underrepresented. With it, hopefully several key species are added (thus, also filling out some gaps in the roster where a pack revolved around said area could've felt like too much). I can totally see another DLC with a smorgasbord of choices that can fill in the gaps instead of dedicated DLCs
 
The thing here is that imo, this feels an odd spot in the devopment cycle for an India pack? Like, while there's still some great potential here, imo we're pretty much cleared out on iconic stuff that is Indian Subcontinent exclusive?
Iconic is subjective but I’d argue that you can’t really represent India without at least a couple of blackbuck, nilgai, gaur and chital and some Indian monkeys.
 
Back
Top Bottom