Do NOT get a "free" Steam key if you want to support Frontier

[Ancipital]

I think Valve getting their greedy, grasping fingers into Frontier's own store (just because the accounts are linked) is scummy.

If you believe that, you're... conforming to the worst stereotype of the hysterical tinfoil hatted forum dweller.

Reading this thread irritated me so much that I went and got a steam key, despite not needing one. The levels of sanctimony are breathtaking.

 

[Zetta]

If you believe that, you're... conforming to the worst stereotype of the hysterical tinfoil hatted forum dweller.

Reading this thread irritated me so much that I went and got a steam key, despite not needing one. The levels of sanctimony are breathtaking.

That has been confirmed by the devs more than once now.

I feel a bit crude talking about 'cuts' and 'percentages' but yes, once you've linked an account, any future purchases on the FD store are affected by this.

Might be prudent laying off the judgement until all facts are in order?

 

[Maxulic]

This is the main reason I linked my account to Steam, I got very tired of downloading patches at 7kB/s.

Additionnal perks are the fact my friends can know when I'm playing, and the Steam overlay.

The download speed I won't comment but if you care about the Steam overlay and chatting with friends you can simply add your non-Steam games to your library. If you launch your game through Steam (you will still have the choice, it's just a matter of launching your game the usual way or telling Steam to launch the exe), people will see you on, will know what you are playing (appears as "non-Steam game: Title") and you can use the features from the overlay such as screenshots and friend list.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

this what i get from this thread Steam is the devil incarnate you are a bad man for linking you ED to steam and some one made up in their head steam gets 30%

Finally someone gets it!

Do you know if you look in a mirror and say Gabe backwards 3 times, Gabe appears and steals your wallet!

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This is the main reason I linked my account to Steam, I got very tired of downloading patches at 7kB/s.

You sir, have a very serious problem with your ISP then OR the route to FD's servers. Last patch i got 2MB down from FD's servers soon after the patch went live, and i live in fricking Russia!

 

[Crinkley Bottom]

If you believe that, you're... conforming to the worst stereotype of the hysterical tinfoil hatted forum dweller.

Reading this thread irritated me so much that I went and got a steam key, despite not needing one. The levels of sanctimony are breathtaking.

Well that was a stupid and insolent thing to do. Smh..

 

[raess2014]

In this case I just get it right away. I paid 150€ all together and what I've got? A premium beta that in fact is still a beta. Promised perks which I still don't got. So yeah, happy to give valve a "cut". Which I still think it is total tinfoil bull, but whatever.

 

[SlickReed]

Personally I decided to link my account; as a premium beta backer I already bought any expansions they come out with and I'm not big on paint jobs.

I understand why people don't want to link their accounts, particularly if they plan to make significant additional purchases in the future, but there are benefits to FD for linking. Linking raises ED's concurrency numbers on Steam and allows us to post positive reviews.

This, I am a PB backer as well and I have the lifetime expansion pass. I will continue to buy all my skins in the Fontier store now that I have read this thread. Thx for postind.

 

[msyblade]

Give your money to FD, or give your money to Gabe. Your choice, no need to argue or disagree about it. It's a personal choice of what to do with your money and support. I choose FD, you choose Gabe, so what? Enjoy your time played stat.

 

[Samosa]

Have we not yet understood that the 30% Steam takes likely provides FD with way more than 30% in exposure?

Wasn't it FDs decision to use Steam?

I really don't understand the logic (or lack thereof) and mindnumblingly awful business sense of most of the posters here...

 

[poser765]

Give your money to FD, or give your money to Gabe. Your choice, no need to argue or disagree about it. It's a personal choice of what to do with your money and support. I choose FD, you choose Gabe, so what? Enjoy your time played stat.

Jeez, people...this is not a binary issue. 1 or 0, true or false, A or B.

You are NOT either giving money to Frontier, or Valve. If you link to Steam you are still giving most of the money to Frontier, and a little bit of money to Valve. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.

 

[Crinkley Bottom]

Have we not yet understood that the 30% Steam takes likely provides FD with way more than 30% in exposure?

Wasn't it FDs decision to use Steam?

I really don't understand the logic (or lack thereof) and mindnumblingly awful business sense of most of the posters here...

That's fine, your post was quite incomprehensible as well as it's not related to the topic at hand.

 

[EdzUp]

Download speeds here (Worthing UK) are 1.2-2.2Mbs from FDEV or 4.3Mbs from Valve. Nuff said really

 

[Cosmos]

Jeez, people...this is not a binary issue. 1 or 0, true or false, A or B.

You are NOT either giving money to Frontier, or Valve. If you link to Steam you are still giving most of the money to Frontier, and a little bit of money to Valve. I feel like I shouldn't have to explain this.

Indeed and 100% of nothing is nothing. I think its a personal choice for everyone but for those who do feel strongly against the steam keys.. it might be an idea to quietly drop the topic so the issue isn't being constantly advertised.

 

[Xananan]

I understood michaels post more as "keep buying DLC and skins from the frontier store to give us 100% of the money".

As it stands, right now steam doesn't sell any of the current in game 'DLC' (ship skins) or any of the merch, as such I strongly doubt they're legally taking a 30% cut from frontier's own shop (and even more so doubt that steam would be legally able to raise the 30% steam 'tax on stuff like mugs and Tshirts at all).


I feel like OP totally misunderstood the situation. Yes, if you buy future DLC over the steam storefront steam will take their 30%, but I'll need some more proof that they will take a 30% cut from frontiers own store other than some random guy on this forum claiming so.

I personally linked my accounts for the added download speed (there has been word that apprently the updating will be done through steam; though I can't personally say if that's true), the implementation (I use steam as a main form of communication among gaming friends and as such have it open 24/7 anyway; the slight bonus advertisement as I passively show everyone oin my friend list is a nice bonus, and yes I actually have been asked about the game because of that and made recommendations), and some less important things like the "hours played" counter, mostly because the game itself doesnt give that kind of functionality.

And before anyone starts throwing bitter words my way: I fully plan on buying every possible extra content over FD's own storefront, despite everything I do still believe in supporting the dev first and foremost.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Have we not yet understood that the 30% Steam takes likely provides FD with way more than 30% in exposure?

Wasn't it FDs decision to use Steam?

I really don't understand the logic (or lack thereof) and mindnumblingly awful business sense of most of the posters here...

I don't think you need to, it was probably just exaggeration or bad wording by the other poster. I'm sure they meant give 100% to FD or 70% to FD and 30% to Gabe.

 

[Zetta]

Have we not yet understood that the 30% Steam takes likely provides FD with way more than 30% in exposure?

Wasn't it FDs decision to use Steam?

I really don't understand the logic (or lack thereof) and mindnumblingly awful business sense of most of the posters here...

To be clear, there is absolutely no dispute that Valve should get their 30% from Steam sales or from steam.elitedangerous.com. That is a fair price to pay for the additional exposure.

What some of us think is greedy is that they are also getting a 30% cut from Frontier's store if you have linked your accounts. Hope that clears it up.

... but I'll need some more proof that they will take a 30% cut from frontiers own store other than some random guy on this forum claiming so.

Ed Lewis (Frontier's Community Manager) said the following earlier today "I feel a bit crude talking about 'cuts' and 'percentages' but yes, once you've linked an account, any future purchases on the FD store are affected by this." source

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Have we not yet understood that the 30% Steam takes likely provides FD with way more than 30% in exposure?

Yup, and Steam got their 30% for all those sales. The question is more about people who bought through FD's store converting to Steam and making future purchases via Steam. That i think isn't worth quite the same exposure, especially if we are talking about paintjobs.

 

[Tinman]

I understood michaels post more as "keep buying DLC and skins from the frontier store to give us 100% of the money".

As it stands, right now steam doesn't sell any of the current in game 'DLC' (ship skins) or any of the merch, as such I strongly doubt they're legally taking a 30% cut from frontier's own shop (and even more so doubt that steam would be legally able to raise the 30% steam 'tax on stuff like mugs and Tshirts at all).


I feel like OP totally misunderstood the situation. Yes, if you buy future DLC over the steam storefront steam will take their 30%, but I'll need some more proof that they will take a 30% cut from frontiers own store other than some random guy on this forum claiming so.

It was Edward who wrote it, not Michael.

Edward later wrote this:

I feel a bit crude talking about 'cuts' and 'percentages' but yes, once you've linked an account, any future purchases on the FD store are affected by this.

 

[Ancipital]

And before anyone starts throwing bitter words my way: I fully plan on buying every possible extra content over FD's own storefront, despite everything I do still believe in supporting the dev first and foremost.

Yep, and in the case of beta backers with lifetime passes, we already cheerfully paid FD upfront for all the meaningful content, long before the game made it to Steam. Since I trust them not to go p2w in the future, the only non-physical purchases that I am likely to make are the odd cheap cosmetic item, rather than anything meaningful. The rest will just be fluff like the odd nerd t-shirt or similar, I fear- unless they make a working life-sized Sidewinder for a decent price.

The levels of hysteria are hilarious; FD aren't a charity, nor are they stupid. They're a professional outfit that has been going for some years, and they're business badasses. They know what they're doing, they'll have cut a sensible deal with Valve, run the numbers and made them work. They don't need a legion of confused attack Cassandras to save them. To assume that this could be the case is to do them a profound disservice.

 

[DangerousLarry]

I only linked it to my STEAM account to make a review. Wish i'd known this previous to having the option made available to me.