Do NOT get a "free" Steam key if you want to support Frontier

Xananan

Xananan
My bad about the Michael - Edward confusion.

Well as I've been evidently proven wrong, we can only hope that the 30% future dlc income loss is being mitigated by the extra publicity steam provided. (which, seeing as the game has been on the top sellers list reliably since it launched on steam, I am fairly certain of)

As for me personally, I don't know if theres much any of us who linked the accounts unaware that even the internal FD store would be afflicted can do about this, other than hope the passive extra advertisement through the friends list and our undivided devotion to the game will be enough to recuperate the losses inflicted. :/

As it stands, I bought the game full price on release, bought a few skins on the latest sale, so FD got a solid 70€ out of me before I linked my accounts. I hope that's enough dues payed for me using the extra functionality of steam from now on.
 
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Jim Steinman

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Unfortunately Xananan it was you who misunderstood, but we've all done that kind of thing before. :) FD have agreed to the Vale cut on linked account as confirmed again by Ed.


Edward Lewis said:
I feel a bit crude talking about 'cuts' and 'percentages' but yes, once you've linked an account, any future purchases on the FD store are affected by this.
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The best thing about the Steam thing is, it will most likely draw more people to the game and that can only be good.

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Samosa

Samosa
Zetta said:
To be clear, there is absolutely no dispute that Valve should get their 30% from Steam sales or from steam.elitedangerous.com. That is a fair price to pay for the additional exposure.

What some of us think is greedy is that they are also getting a 30% cut from Frontier's store if you have linked your accounts. Hope that clears it up.
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Alright, but why do we care? In what way is FDs business our business? Do we doubt their ability to handle their finances?

That's the part I'm struggling with. Feels like misguided social justice. If you're an investor, that's different; but then, that should be in a different forum, I'd think.
 

Zetta

Zetta
Ancipital said:
The levels of hysteria are hilarious; FD aren't a charity, nor are they stupid. They're a professional outfit that has been going for some years, and they're business badasses. They know what they're doing, they'll have cut a sensible deal with Valve, run the numbers and made them work. They don't need a legion of confused attack Cassandras to save them. To assume that this could be the case is to do them a profound disservice.
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There is no hysteria. There is simply an attempt to inform people that doing X results in Y even though they might not expect that to be the case.
The only thing that is causing any pushback and keeping these threads running are people jumping in, waving their arms and accusing people of conspiracy theories, hysteria and the like before they are aware of the full facts. If uninformed posts are made people will attempt to remedy that.

Samosa said:
Alright, but why do we care? In what way is FDs business our business?

That's the part I'm struggling with. Feels like misguided social justice.
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That's fine, no one is insisting you care. As said above, an informed decision is better than an uninformed one. What you do with that information is entirely up to you.
 
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Ancipital

Ancipital
OxKing said:
Hey, now i don't only support Elite Dangerous, but Half Life 3 also. It's a win-win situation! :D :D :D

It could be worse, Frontier had also been went to Origin instead of Steam. :D
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Ugh, don't. I never did finish my Shep's Mass Effect adventure because ME3 was Origin only :)
 

Jukelo

Jukelo
Considering the sad state of the game at release and even now 6 months later, I have a hard time seeing why people are still trying to not only whiteknight for FD but even shame those who choose to take the most convenient route for them, be it at the expense of some of FD's profit.

Zetta said:
There is no hysteria. There is simply an attempt to inform people that doing X results in Y even though they might not expect that to be the case.
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An attempt to inform people by creating a thread whose title implies that if you link your account to Steam, you're no longer supporting FD? Excuse-me but, if Steam gets 30%, FD still gets 70%. So how about you tone down the rhetoric a bit.
 
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Jim Steinman

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Jukelo said:
Considering the sad state of the game at release and even now 6 months later, I have a hard time seeing why people are still trying to not only whiteknight for FD but even shame those who choose to take the most convenient route for them, be it at the expense of some of FD's profit.



An attempt to inform people by creating a thread whose title implies that if you link your account to Steam, you're no longer supporting FD? Excuse-me but, if Steam gets 30%, FD still gets 70%. So how about you tone down the rhetoric a bit.
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I think you need to tone down your aspersions a bit and calm down. You are reading into this far more than you need to. The quote from Zetta is perfectly reasonable and the thread title is really just phrased in a way to get attention. If anything, the OP could have added the word exclusively to keep things perfectly ok.
 

Zetta

Zetta
Jukelo said:
An attempt to inform people by creating a thread whose title implies that if you link your account to Steam, you're no longer supporting FD? Excuse-me but, if Steam gets 30%, FD still gets 70%. So how about you tone down the rhetoric a bit.
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Why do this? You've taken a snippet of my comment, applied it to something totally out of context and then tell me that I need to tone down the rhetoric...

/boggle
 

2chill

Banned
2chill
Got the steam key - but already have paid up for DLC for the life of ED. Safe - FD still got 100% of my sterling.
 

candytripn

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Just to throw my lot in, I found elite through the personalized recommendations on Steam. After uploading a few screens and a video, I had two other friends who had never even heard of the game owning it, with a few more adding it to their wish-list. Had I known about the game before, I would have backed em. I had been playing Freelancer Discovery for years, and this was the exact game I was looking for (don't mention that p2w rsi fail.. no interest in buying my way to the top). that said, I'd still link it to steam, even if that meant ED losing the $0.60 per skin I bought, or a portion of the next expansion. There's just too many benefits from it I wouldn't trade, and the fact that its much easier to link games to someones profile than to convince them to keep visiting a website or forum to build enough interest to join me, far out weighs the partnership fee. If anything, I think linking to Steam and becoming active in the community there will benefit ED far more than hoping your future 30% goes direct. There's many people on steam who sit on the fence when making a game purchase at this price. Some of us are poor (me), some young and only get a new game as a gift, and some just don't like spending money. Following the forums and Steam community helps make that decision, which means more money for ED :)

just my $0.02
 

Jockey79

Jockey79
Sly said:
Personally I decided to link my account; as a premium beta backer I already bought any expansions they come out with and I'm not big on paint jobs.

I understand why people don't want to link their accounts, particularly if they plan to make significant additional purchases in the future, but there are benefits to FD for linking. Linking raises ED's concurrency numbers on Steam and allows us to post positive reviews.
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^^ This.

Now I've linked, I can use my Steam funds to buy more skins than I had planned on buying to start with. To put that in context, I'd bought all I was going to - now I will use my Steam Wallet to buy more (from sales I've made from other games)
 

Titus Balls

Titus Balls
Samosa said:
Have we not yet understood that the 30% Steam takes likely provides FD with way more than 30% in exposure?

Wasn't it FDs decision to use Steam?

I really don't understand the logic (or lack thereof) and mindnumblingly awful business sense of most of the posters here...
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The 30% isn't an issue if you buy directly from Steam - Valve should rightfully take it. ED should have been on Steam from day one, as 0% of FA is 0%, but 70% of a direct sale in Steam in much better. Although 100% of a sale via their own store is still better but I get why not everyone wants to do that.

The issue is why the hell Valve should then take 30% of all sales from the ED store, which is completely separate to Valve's systems. When you buy a skin on the store, you don't download anything extra - it's not a DLC, it's already in the game files that have been downloaded - buying a skin simply unlocks it on your FRONTIER account.

I purchased the game at PB, so I paid £100 directly to Frontier, and when I use the store they continue to get 100% of all my sales.

Valve and Steam have never been involved in any step of MY ED game experience so why should I suddenly start giving them 30%?

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Jockey79 said:
^^ This.

Now I've linked, I can use my Steam funds to buy more skins than I had planned on buying to start with. To put that in context, I'd bought all I was going to - now I will use my Steam Wallet to buy more (from sales I've made from other games)
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Well that's silly because you can't do that: https://support.elitedangerous.com/kb/faq.php?id=92

You can only buy them via the Store, with non-Steam funds.
 

Ancipital

Ancipital
Titus Balls said:
The issue is why the hell Valve should then take 30% of all sales from the ED store, which is completely separate to Valve's systems. When you buy a skin on the store, you don't download anything extra - it's not a DLC, it's already in the game files that have been downloaded - buying a skin simply unlocks it on your FRONTIER account.
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I'm guessing that it's to stop people putting games on steam for $1 (thus avoiding the free-to-play contractual hoops) and then then supplying the rest of it as out-of-band DLC- reaping the massive exposure benefits while sidestepping the revenue share. This is mild compared to the attitude on (for example) the iOS app store.
 
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daan2002

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daan2002
i new when yall got yalls clarification it would not been the end of it FD new what they was doing when they added steam keys to previous owners FD new what they where doing when they got in to bed with steam end of story and nothing yall say is going to change their business agreement like it or lump it
 
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