You seem to know next to nothing about VR and the Rift and yet your first post in the thread dismissed it as a fad! Might I suggest you do some research before offering such pronouncements in future?
ED and the Oculus Rift Developers Kit 2 (DK2) Discussion Thread
You seem to know next to nothing about VR and the Rift and yet your first post in the thread dismissed it as a fad! Might I suggest you do some research before offering such pronouncements in future?
I've tried DK2 (not with ED though), it has awsome tracking and little ghosting but yes resolution still sucks. BUT, my question to you: how do you handle all key commands? I can Imagine WASD keys are easy enough to find but the rest? YOu have A HOTAS setup with 1000 keys on the sticks?
I currently play ED with a gamepad that has the same amount of buttons as a Xbox ctrlr, so I obviously not enough buttons to be able to dismiss the keyboard... So I hold it with both hands and I have to let it go to input keyboard commands and general UI navigation.. This cant be a joy to do with the DK2 Rift strapped to your face?
sarcasm
Actually was being sarcastic
BUT if you search my forum posts you will find a post I made ages ago saying how great ED was using a HMZ T2...
Why has my opinion changed ?
Time my friend, don't be blown away by first glance you need to spend time with it, all I am saying is everyone is hyped and it aint there yet, personally I probably won't even buy the oculus full consumer just coz I cannot be bothered farting about I just wanna play and sometimes for 12 hrs at a time.
You seem to know next to nothing about VR and the Rift and yet your first post in the thread dismissed it as a fad! Might I suggest you do some research before offering such pronouncements in future?
Actually was being sarcastic
BUT if you search my forum posts you will find a post I made ages ago saying how great ED was using a HMZ T2...
Why has my opinion changed ?
Time my friend, don't be blown away by first glance you need to spend time with it, all I am saying is everyone is hyped and it aint there yet, personally I probably won't even buy the oculus full consumer just coz I cannot be bothered farting about I just wanna play and sometimes for 12 hrs at a time.
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Two words... HOTAS and VoiceAttack (ok three words)
Strap one of these to your head and a colostomy bag and you can live in VR forever...
Question from the peanut gallery here... I'm pretty much sold on the idea of picking up a Rift, but was curious about availability. From what I understand, recently they were just getting around to filling orders for people who had ordered back in February/March for the DK2. Is there still that kind of backlog? If you were to order one now, when would it realistically arrive? Might it be better to wait for the consumer version?
Try it on your tv it should be fine
Oculus is a bit of a red herring at the moment, I use a sony hmz t2 headset can read the text and all with it, the thing is....
Just because ED will support the oculus will it actually be playable with it ?
See ED is a game you play for hours you don't just jump in play for 30 mins then stop, imho virtual reality does not lend itself to lengthy gaming sessions, due to eye strain, misting up etc, and the need to occasionally maybe type a system name and general comfort, so I would conclude that the oculus at least for ED will be a short lived fad.
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You are not even entitled to an opinion when you have never played Elite Dangerous on a DK2. The Sony HMZ headset IS NOT a Virtual Reality headset.
I don't have a problem with wires. I use a 7.1 Surround Wireless headset. I don't need to use my keyboard because I have a Hotas joystick and use Voice Commands. Having experienced Elite with the DK2 I cannot go back. I play for hours and hours with the DK2 on my head. It is the future of gaming and you sir have no idea what you are talking about.
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Believe the lead time is 2 months at the moment, so ordering now would likely get you one October/November.
I'm personally holding out until end of September, once the Oculus Connect event is over as I think they will announce more details about CV1 during that event.
Even with just the x-52 pro I never have need to take my hands off the HOTAS to do anything in game so yeah I hear ya, HAHAHA and yeah probably the only time I need to get up is to go empty my colostamy bag
and yeah probably the only time I need to get up is to go empty my colostamy bag To the OP, in your situation assuming you have the disposable income, I would say go for it. If you have wanted to get in to VR in the past then you're likely to enjoy it. And if you don't have room to set up a computer desk then some of the problems people talk about with the headset on, you're having them anyway.
Get a DK2, get a decent stick with enough buttons and get voice attack. Everything you need for most operations in your lap. Then just a keyboard within reach for navigating menus etc. If you can find the keys by touch then you're set.
DK2 is not there yet, there are some issues for sure and lack of consumer level comfort is one of them. Even so, Elite is the best experience you can get on DK2 right now, and DK2 is the most immersive way to play Elite.
Yes you will need to take breaks more frequently than on a monitor, because it makes your eyes tired and it gets hot. And certainly if you want to play more casually, with one eye on something else, frequently taking phone calls or chatting or whatever, it's not good for that. But if you want to take some time out and just be immersed in Elite, DK2 is what you need.
In my opinion, DK2 and beta is a great combination. Because I play less and enjoy the time I play more. I enjoy the environment and the journey more and am less prone to just grinding away to get the next upgrade.
But hey, if you can run it on the TV also for those trade run marathons, even better.
Get a DK2, get a decent stick with enough buttons and get voice attack. Everything you need for most operations in your lap. Then just a keyboard within reach for navigating menus etc. If you can find the keys by touch then you're set.
DK2 is not there yet, there are some issues for sure and lack of consumer level comfort is one of them. Even so, Elite is the best experience you can get on DK2 right now, and DK2 is the most immersive way to play Elite.
Yes you will need to take breaks more frequently than on a monitor, because it makes your eyes tired and it gets hot. And certainly if you want to play more casually, with one eye on something else, frequently taking phone calls or chatting or whatever, it's not good for that. But if you want to take some time out and just be immersed in Elite, DK2 is what you need.
In my opinion, DK2 and beta is a great combination. Because I play less and enjoy the time I play more. I enjoy the environment and the journey more and am less prone to just grinding away to get the next upgrade.
But hey, if you can run it on the TV also for those trade run marathons, even better.
Since I first used a DK1 with ED I haven't gone back to using a monitor. I can play indefinitely.
I've now got a DK2 and although it's an improvement over the DK1, it's still got a way to go resolution-wise before it can be considered as a no-brainer. The level of immersion (for me) more than makes up for its current shortcomings though.
My advice would be to try to borrow a DK2, see how you get on, and decide for yourself whether you think it's worth it.
Apparently, about 20% of users still suffer from nausea when using a Rift, so it would be a good idea to try before you buy.
Looking at the current level of display technology, I suspect it will be a few years before ultra high-res screens (4k) can be made small/cost effective enough for use in a Rift, as well as the GPU required to properly drive a display at that resolution.
I'm currently using a GTX660 BTW.
You also need to consider that either a HOTAS or Voice Attack will be needed when using a Rift with ED, because the keyboard is next to useless when you can't see it.
I use an X52 Pro, because most buttons can easily be found by feel.
PS - Use headphones with the Rift, because the 3D sound moves around you as you move your head.
I've now got a DK2 and although it's an improvement over the DK1, it's still got a way to go resolution-wise before it can be considered as a no-brainer. The level of immersion (for me) more than makes up for its current shortcomings though.
My advice would be to try to borrow a DK2, see how you get on, and decide for yourself whether you think it's worth it.
Apparently, about 20% of users still suffer from nausea when using a Rift, so it would be a good idea to try before you buy.
Looking at the current level of display technology, I suspect it will be a few years before ultra high-res screens (4k) can be made small/cost effective enough for use in a Rift, as well as the GPU required to properly drive a display at that resolution.
I'm currently using a GTX660 BTW.
You also need to consider that either a HOTAS or Voice Attack will be needed when using a Rift with ED, because the keyboard is next to useless when you can't see it.
I use an X52 Pro, because most buttons can easily be found by feel.
PS - Use headphones with the Rift, because the 3D sound moves around you as you move your head.
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typing no
Occasionally I like to do a bit of browsing to find the best trade deal, using a trade deal calculator etc or perhaps get a message on steam, regardless of what headset you are wearing if you can't type its pointless, which by the way I can type with the HMZ as u can remove the light guard from the bottom to see the kb it just ruins the immersion which is kinda the whole point isn't it ?
I also find myself less likely to have a "casual game" using the headset it's something you need to make a date for in your mancave.
Some people seem to have gotten the wrong end of the stick here, I am giving you my opinion on wearing something on your face while playing a game, not on the actual quality of the hmz v the oculus, they both cover your eyes, and in that respect I am just highlighting the shortcomings of anything that does that when playing a game, some things that you don't immediately think of unless you have spent hours wearing a headset of any type.
Occasionally I like to do a bit of browsing to find the best trade deal, using a trade deal calculator etc or perhaps get a message on steam, regardless of what headset you are wearing if you can't type its pointless, which by the way I can type with the HMZ as u can remove the light guard from the bottom to see the kb it just ruins the immersion which is kinda the whole point isn't it ?
I also find myself less likely to have a "casual game" using the headset it's something you need to make a date for in your mancave.
Some people seem to have gotten the wrong end of the stick here, I am giving you my opinion on wearing something on your face while playing a game, not on the actual quality of the hmz v the oculus, they both cover your eyes, and in that respect I am just highlighting the shortcomings of anything that does that when playing a game, some things that you don't immediately think of unless you have spent hours wearing a headset of any type.
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You are entitled to that opinion but that is a different argument - what you cannot do is keep comparing your Sony headset to an Oculus Rift and certainly not call it a fad. I don't think Facebook would invest 2 billion dollars into a fad.
Please experience a DK2 in Elite before even remotely trying to think it is in anyway comparable to your Sony headset.
With a DK2 you feel like you are there in a cockpit. You can look around you, behind you, stand up and look out of your cockpit windows. As a space station looms above you the sense of scale is as real as it gets. Being in a DK2 is as close to the real thing as technology can currently deliver and with the CV1 it will only get better.
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The thing I find most humorous is the fact that people can't use the DK2 because it is "difficult to set up" and can't be worn for extended periods of time because of "smoke breaks"
Do you really believe you are going to be smoking on the bridge of a space craft? Your life depends on the air you would be constantly polluting.
Perhaps wearing the DK2 would help your health by distracting the need to smoke. That alone would pay for the DK2 in the first month...
edit: I will agree to the difficulty. Just last night I found out my Logitech G510s keyboard drivers were causing the problem. All I can say is be diligent, it will work. Both products are effectively Beta's...
Do you really believe you are going to be smoking on the bridge of a space craft? Your life depends on the air you would be constantly polluting.
Perhaps wearing the DK2 would help your health by distracting the need to smoke. That alone would pay for the DK2 in the first month...
edit: I will agree to the difficulty. Just last night I found out my Logitech G510s keyboard drivers were causing the problem. All I can say is be diligent, it will work. Both products are effectively Beta's...
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Just chiming in here as another Oculus user!
I have never played Elite without the rift. I got it because of the rift support, and after playing, I realized how amazing the game was.
I love the game, and if something happened to the rift, I would probably continue playing using my trackIR, but it would be a bummer!
I play ER in extended sessions (multiple hours) with no problems, but I'm also one of the fortunate people who doesn't really get as much of the vertigo as others do. Namely, when I first got my DK1, I worked up to long play sessions in HL2 on the first night, and on the second night, I played for like 4-5 hours with almost no break.
That said though, ED is pretty comfortable, as long as you can keep your framerates up, because you're sitting in a cockpit. I rift using my glasses, so that keeps eyestrain down, i think, just need to be careful about scratching the lenses.
Also, as far as reading text, I dunno if people are mostly talking the DK1, but with the DK2 I generally have no problems, and if I do, I just lean in a little closer to the text I'm trying to read. works just fine.
The CV1 is going to be so awesome! I'm gonna need a major system upgrade to power that sucker, though!
I have never played Elite without the rift. I got it because of the rift support, and after playing, I realized how amazing the game was.
I love the game, and if something happened to the rift, I would probably continue playing using my trackIR, but it would be a bummer!
I play ER in extended sessions (multiple hours) with no problems, but I'm also one of the fortunate people who doesn't really get as much of the vertigo as others do. Namely, when I first got my DK1, I worked up to long play sessions in HL2 on the first night, and on the second night, I played for like 4-5 hours with almost no break.
That said though, ED is pretty comfortable, as long as you can keep your framerates up, because you're sitting in a cockpit. I rift using my glasses, so that keeps eyestrain down, i think, just need to be careful about scratching the lenses.
Also, as far as reading text, I dunno if people are mostly talking the DK1, but with the DK2 I generally have no problems, and if I do, I just lean in a little closer to the text I'm trying to read. works just fine.
The CV1 is going to be so awesome! I'm gonna need a major system upgrade to power that sucker, though!
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You may be jesting but after ignoring the warning signs last night when playing half life 2 and pushing on regardless, I felt pretty nauseous for 20 mins after.
I am considering if I am struggling on the weight loss over the weekend, a 40 min stint on half life 2 should take those hunger pangs right away
(I can probably save time by just doing a mission on warthunder or 3 or 4 laps on the helix coaster
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I can do all that with my HMZ I use trackir so when I move my head I look round the cockpit if anything I can do it in high res everything is crisp and readable. I was using the HMZ with a gyro mouse velcroed to it to play fps horrors like outlast and its absolutely amazing, If I thought a DK2 was better I would sell my HMZ for £600 on ebay and buy a DK2 and still have £300 change, perhaps you should try the HMZ before jumping to conclusions about how I use it
And I never called the Oculus a fad, I think it will be a fad with ED I am sure it will be great for many other games
I call it a fad for ED because it looks great and looking round the cockpit is great n all I have a HOTAS, but ED is a game you literally can play all day I just don't think people are gonna wanna plug themselves in everytime they play although the idea seems fine in principle it becomes irksome in practicality if you play often. And just blocks out too many potentially immersion breaking issues like typing etc.My money is on a good triple monitor display with decent headtracking
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Talking of hands. Anyone else think the idle hand movements don't really work for the rift? I look down at my virtual hands and then they stretch but I'm not stretching.
