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stephen_usher

stephen_usher
Patrick_68000 said:
It would be not less expensive if Frontier has its own servers ? The rents at Amazon and Google must not be given ? It raises the medium-term question of the cost ? The players will have to participate in the future in the costs of the rents ? I am ignorant about it
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It's generally a GREAT deal cheaper to buy CPU time from one of these companies than to build your own data centre, buy and maintain servers, which will have to be replaced every few years, buy a large network connection and then pay staff to run and maintain it. It's an economy of scale.

It also makes hardware failure and fail-over issues someone else's problem.

In addition to this you can request that virtual servers be located around the world.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
stephen_usher said:
It's generally a GREAT deal cheaper to buy CPU time from one of these companies than to build your own data centre, buy and maintain servers, which will have to be replaced every few years, buy a large network connection and then pay staff to run and maintain it. It's an economy of scale.

It also makes hardware failure and fail-over issues someone else's problem.

In addition to this you can request that virtual servers be located around the world.
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So this is the best solution that Frontier has chosen. I also think that the technicians of Frontier have the opportunity to intervene 24/7 on the database and ED program which are hosted on Amazon or Google
 

LazySiege

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StarCitzen uses Servers and they did not host them, too. The biggest benefit is, that you can spin up as many servers as you need and chanel them fast, when you dont need them any longer.
Games need many Servers in the start, cause everyone likes to play the game. Over time player count will drop and if you had own servers they will idle. Servers from the server farms dont const a cent after you dont need them anymore. And i guess FD will not pay the same amout as we do when we rent a single server.

@Topic Its safe to say pings will be overall good or bad, depending on how many people around you play ED. When many around you play ED you get a good ping, if you are the only one in thousands of miles (KM) you will have a bad ping....
 

Joat

Joat
stephen_usher said:
In addition to this you can request that virtual servers be located around the world.
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If you look at Azure (Microsofts cloud service) they have 5 regions: US, Europe, Asia/Pacific, Japan and Brazil. Each region have at least one data center but usually more, each placed in different geographic location. Amazons setup of regions is comparable.

When you have setup your virtual server you can use it as a template to provision multiple instances in the regions you choose.

It's quite cheap actually and much cheaper than owning and supporting the hardware yourself. You don't have to worry about backups, co-location bills, upgrading, licenses etc etc.
 

ZenSpider

ZenSpider
LazySiege said:
The biggest benefit is, that you can spin up as many servers as you need and chanel them fast, when you dont need them any longer.
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There are many reasons why cloud makes sense for companies like Frontier, but elasticity is certainly one of the most cromulent. Being able to scale up your resources to meet peaks in demand would be almost impossible for a small company otherwise.
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
As far as I know there won't be regional servers. They will have server cluster at one of data centers around the world. During 2.0 they were located in Ireland, but I don't know where they are now.
 

Tom Sloman

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I think, aside from the server issue, it's wrong to consider beta access any kind of "early game access".

To avoid the complications of being funded by a publisher, this game is being crowd funded. As rewards for funding the game at various levels, people got the right to be alpha testers and beta testers, etc. This is not early access of a finished game, this is testing of an incomplete game where final decisions about various things haven't even been made yet, and where Developement is active, ongoing and driven by community feedback. There are entire parts of the game missing and there are placeholders for various things in place during these testing phases. People are finding problems and submitting bug reports for the devs to fix the issues prior to the next testing phase. It's certainly not "early access" to a game.

If you are after early access to a pretty much complete game, that is going to be available later and can be pre-purchased now. It's called "gamma access" and will be playable after beta has completed, before the official launch (beta hasn't started yet, so it will be a while). Gamma is not $150.

At that stage, it should be pretty much a finished product, with maybe only a few tiny flaws and balance issues to work out, ready for the official launch at a later date. I would think that by that time the net code will be improved, servers will be located where they are needed, and everything should be running fairly smoothly. Don't buy beta if you don't want to test an incomplete and partially broken game.
 

Herne

Herne
I Look after the servers, for the software (Business not games) company that I work for. Our application servers that our customers connect to, were migrated over to a hosting company. We use Rackspace, and it has made my life soooo much easier.

I no longer need to worry about hardware failures. We've been using them for about 5 years. I still have full admin of the server, and on the rare occasions we need to restore files from backup, I just raise a ticket through a web portal and the file is restored to a location of your choice about 15 minutes later.

Very, Very impressed with the service we have had from Rackspace.

It's meant that in our office we now can get by with ADSL instead of a leased line. We no longer have to worry about Server replacements, hardware failures, and equipment lifetime cycles. I can't overstate the advantages of using this kind of service.
 

Exmortis

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Patrick_68000 said:
It would be not less expensive if Frontier has its own servers ? The rents at Amazon and Google must not be given ? It raises the medium-term question of the cost ? The players will have to participate in the future in the costs of the rents ? I am ignorant about it
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No, it would not be cheaper - not even close. There's a base level of infrastructure and staff needed, beyond just the servers, for hosting. To build that out, staff for it, and operate it would not be cost effective until a very large number of servers are being hosted. I don't expect many servers will be needed for Elite D considering the design, so Amazon or some other cloud service makes a lot of sense.
 

Slpierce

Slpierce
serimral said:
I moved here from the UK in 2012. Best damn decision I ever made......
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Whats so great about Tasmania, and so bad about the UK?

I know a few people who have left the UK and they love nothing more that slagging it off, kinda pi**es me off to tell you the truth.


Slpierce
 

Malicar

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Azure is garbage just look at titanfall PC removing game modes. When idle it's supposed to not use resources. So why did they remove these modes from Titanfall? I've heard so much garbage from Microsoft on Azure yet I can barely download a tiny patch from live routing through Seattle at 15ms and 5 hops. 300k dedicated servers for Xbox live lol ya right. More lies. I get faster downloads on Steam for free then paying money to M$.

As for Amazon just go play GTAV. Peer to peer at its worst lag lag lag with horrible matchmaking. Almost unplayable on most occasions with just dismal frame rates to boot.

The only company that actually has decent servers for Na and Uk is EVE and they essentially struggled for years before building their current data centre which is pretty amazing. Still if I play Eve from NA it's a huge disadvantage and packet loss breaks immersion constantly... It's just a lot more stable then the old days of constantly losing connection.

Looking forward to lagging in premium beta with a uk buddy of mine :D However after release as a peer to peer game ED will require region locks. Perhaps private coop servers can turn this off but any kind of mega server matchmaking will need region locks to keep peer speeds up.
 
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wstephenson

wstephenson
Loathe as I am to admit it since The Cloud pays some of my wages, it doesn't seem to be as great as dedicated hosting for latency sensitive workloads like games.

(Statistically useless single data point follows)

Hawken is usually hosted on AWS and suffers from inexplicable and temporary lag spikes, whereas experimental instances hosted at I3D (a dedicated game hoster in the Netherlands) have a 1/3 lower ping and it doesn't bounce up and down like a 3 year old full of jelly beans.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Slpierce said:
Whats so great about Tasmania, and so bad about the UK?

I know a few people who have left the UK and they love nothing more that slagging it off, kinda pi**es me off to tell you the truth.


Slpierce
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personally i have no issue with people who chose to leave the uk and slag it off. I dont agree, I am fairly well travelled and i like going abroad, but ultimately i like to come home. i moan now and then but its nothing serious. At least they put thier money where their mouth is however.................

Now people who live in the UK ESP people who deliberately choose to move to the uk and yet constantly bash the country.... THEY p1ss me off. if it so so bad then do something about it, either move somewhere else or go home if it is so bad.

(a few friends of mine from wales and scotland love nothing more than to bash England.... if it is so bad, well, its only a few quid in petrol to go back home)
 
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