ED Server / Servers Down problems discussion thread

[adflet]

When I first started playing the game and browsing these forums during premium beta this was such a nice place to visit. Now it's just full of spiteful whingers who think ED owe them the world because they threw a few quid in the bucket. I really can't stand reading this forum any more.

I don't care about the offline thing, never have. I am dissapointed that there are seemingly a few promising features that won't make it into the game by release, but I'm not going to throw my toys out of the pram. You're acting like spoiled children. Demanding answers from people who are in the middle of what will probably turn out to be one of the busiest times in their careers. Seriously. Take a step back, a few deep breaths, have a think, and then try to start acting like adults.

 

[cmdr awesome]

That that's a fine line. I didn't do kickstarter on ED, I waited until premium beta was available in their store. Though I'll re-iterate, offline mode is not a deal breaker for me despite my posts. I'm merely trying to bring attention to the fanbois that it's not all about current internet connection, but when the servers are no longer available.

That being said, I KS backed SC for a tidier sum than the premium beta cost me here. So rest assured, I still have my chance at being burned.

Indeed, but DB has addressed that point explicitly now. Some may consider his credibility to have taken a knock with offlinegate, so I can understand lingering concern.

I'd like to be certain we can play this game indefinitely, but am just delighted that it is here at all.

 

[zhaith]

Yeah the whole offline thing was handled badly, yeah it annoyed people including me, but at least they told you, now imagine playing a game for a period of years, then that game changing completely much to the anger of the player base only to find a year or two later that they then completely change the game again and people left in droves, even then the game ran fora good few years after that, then when they finally closed it down, some nice clever people backwards engineered the server code and the game is still running, that game was Star Wars: Galaxies, at least we have an agreement from David Braben that he will release the code should the game get shut down, not ideal but it is what it is.

 

[LoSt]

You are entitled. But you know that these are not questions that will get answers, so my point is why ask them? And again, planning for the failure of a cause you support is the OPPOSITE of constructive.



How is your example pertinent to this, a game with a history, fan-base, development strategy, and style unlike any other? If you want to keep E: D from being like [insert name of failed game I've never heard of here] then stop comparing the two and focus on what makes it great! It's negative comments, posts, and press that will be harmful from a PR perspective. So again my point is to cut it out.

Thanks!

While I mostly agree with your sentiment, the example is pertinent.

Auto Assault had an, arguably, large fan base for it's time with much history since it was the progeny of the classic "car wars" table top finally brought into the modern era. I suspect that, oddly enough, marketing is what killed it or lack thereof. Historically, marketers usually kill things with "over hype, under deliver). With AA there was next to none.

But I agree that we (the on, offliners and the "meh" crowd) should push to focus on the positives contained with ED. Trouble is taking statements at face value for some becomes difficult when a feature the offliners felt promised is killed.

Here's to hoping nothing else is stripped away.

A great counter-argument to my Auto Assault example would be to bring up WoW (please die) and Eve (though I don't play, I don't wish it ill since it has a PHENOMENAL market simulation).

 

[Tarman]

No, it didn't since you failed to read about Auto Assault and 14 months of server access.

You're right, this is some other game.

Welcome to Online Gaming Inherent Risk. Think of it as a metagame. If the game does that poorly that it's not around in 14 months then I'll have dropped it far before that point. It's called cutting your losses. Ask me about MWO if you're interested in how to drop a game that goes where you didn't want it to, just because you Fry'ed monies at it.

 

[Shoklar]

Even in the unlikely event of FD's servers going offline and discontinued. They did say in news #50 that they will release the server code to the public. I fail to see what all the fuss is about.

Shok.

 

[LoSt]

You're right, this is some other game.

Welcome to Online Gaming Inherent Risk. Think of it as a metagame. If the game does that poorly that it's not around in 14 months then I'll have dropped it far before that point. It's called cutting your losses. Ask me about MWO if you're interested in how to drop a game that goes where you didn't want it to, just because you Fry'ed monies at it.

Sadly, MWO was another one I abandoned too. Such a rich (if not online, computer) history to be poorly managed.

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Even in the unlikely event of FD's servers going offline and discontinued. They did say in news #50 that they will release the server code to the public. I fail to see what all the fuss is about.

Shok.

Again, you assume that they'll be in control of their assets at that time. If they've gone CH11 or it's EU equivalent, they won't be. The courts and debtors will be in control of assets. Yes, I'm playing a bit of the devil's advocate here. Blame it on the Boy Scouts and "Always Be Prepared".

 

[NeoRacer]

I know its ridiculous isnt it?! Even if it where to happen they already said they will release or update it to run in that mode. But by then they will probably be on ED:2 or something..

The game hasn't even released yet, and all you guys talking about the end of days like you expect Frontier to go under within 5 years. Have you really so little confidence in them as a company? Instead of clamoring for a guarantee of what YOU get IF they have to shut down their servers, why not put your efforts into promoting the game and sharing the wonders of this new and exciting galaxy with as many people as you can, thereby ensuring its longevity?

If anything kills off this game, it will be at least in part this type of negative bet-hedging. On behalf of Frontier and those of us who know this game will be great fun and a total success (in spite of the over-blown reactions to one PR mistake) please stop planning for its failure. You only invite the realization of those fears.

Edit: When I say "you guys" I mean everyone who posted stuff like this since last Friday. This is hardly the first post of its kind, and is beyond irrelevant given the Newsletter that was posted today, and the current state of the game (PRE-RELEASE!).

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Your asking them to do what they said they wont do RIGHT NOW. As it will mean basically making a single player game with hand made CONTENT that the MP universe would provide on its own. So no, it aint gonna happen and if we're all still playing ED in 10 years time something has gone wrong with FD and the industry in general..

Again, you assume that they'll be in control of their assets at that time. If they've gone CH11 or it's EU equivalent, they won't be. The courts and debtors will be in control of assets. Yes, I'm playing a bit of the devil's advocate here. Blame it on the Boy Scouts and "Always Be Prepared".

 

[Slachenhoff]

The game hasn't even released yet, and all you guys talking about the end of days like you expect Frontier to go under within 5 years. Have you really so little confidence in them as a company? Instead of clamoring for a guarantee of what YOU get IF they have to shut down their servers, why not put your efforts into promoting the game and sharing the wonders of this new and exciting galaxy with as many people as you can, thereby ensuring its longevity?

If anything kills off this game, it will be at least in part this type of negative bet-hedging. On behalf of Frontier and those of us who know this game will be great fun and a total success (in spite of the over-blown reactions to one PR mistake) please stop planning for its failure. You only invite the realization of those fears.

Edit: When I say "you guys" I mean everyone who posted stuff like this since last Friday. This is hardly the first post of its kind, and is beyond irrelevant given the Newsletter that was posted today, and the current state of the game (PRE-RELEASE!).

I can guarantee you one thing, the servers WILL, without a doubt, be shutdown one day. None of us can be guaranteed that Braben will either be around at that time or even uphold his promise. So your argument is moot.

Furthermore, let's all be honest, as great as the game is, there just isn't much "game" there. I predict the initial reviews won't be so forgiving of the lack of content. I also suspect that when a lot of folks realize this isn't EVE and never will be, they'll leave in droves. In other words, I'm not confident the game has longevity up its sleeve.

 

[Shoklar]

Again, you assume that they'll be in control of their assets at that time. If they've gone CH11 or it's EU equivalent, they won't be. The courts and debtors will be in control of assets. Yes, I'm playing a bit of the devil's advocate here. Blame it on the Boy Scouts and "Always Be Prepared".

I see. Well then, you can play devils thingamabob and I'll play Elite: Dangerous. Hope you have as much fun as I do.

Shok

 

[Slachenhoff]

Even in the unlikely event of FD's servers going offline and discontinued. They did say in news #50 that they will release the server code to the public. I fail to see what all the fuss is about.

Shok.

You know what else they've said would be available before? Offline mode. So yeah, there's that. Fool me once, shame on
you...

 

[stamasd]

Even in the unlikely event of FD's servers going offline and discontinued. They did say in news #50 that they will release the server code to the public. I fail to see what all the fuss is about.

Shok.

David Braben also said during kickstarter that there would be an offline mode. Why should I believe him now?

 

[Thrace Fulton]

I can guarantee you one thing, the servers WILL, without a doubt, be shutdown one day. None of us can be guaranteed that Braben will either be around at that time or even uphold his promise. So your argument is moot.

Furthermore, let's all be honest, as great as the game is, there just isn't much "game" there. I predict the initial reviews won't be so forgiving of the lack of content. I also suspect that when a lot of folks realize this isn't EVE and never will be, they'll leave in droves. In other words, I'm not confident the game has longevity up its sleeve.

If you think what we've been playing is the game, you're not paying attention. The Beta doesn't have the background simulation running in anything but a partial (if that) sense. No one has played the game yet (aside from FD, and even they haven't when you consider the influence we will wield in our droves.

I have not ever argued that the servers will be up forever, but way to put words in my mouth. My emphasis on the "IF" was implying that when they go down it's not a question of what we get, but if we get anything at all. And as much as he can, DB has assured us that it will be something. Expecting more of an answer at this point is foolish, because clearly FD and DB are planning for success and not concerning themselves with these plans right now. They have a game to release.

So go ahead and play the speculation game while the rest of us enjoy the one we're about to get! (ninja'd by Shok )

 

[Slachenhoff]

If you think what we've been playing is the game, you're not paying attention. The Beta doesn't have the background simulation running in anything but a partial (if that) sense. No one has played the game yet (aside from FD, and even they haven't when you consider the influence we will wield in our droves.

I have not ever argued that the servers will be up forever, but way to put words in my mouth. My emphasis on the "IF" was implying that when they go down it's not a question of what we get, but if we get anything at all. And as much as he can, DB has assured us that it will be something. Expecting more of an answer at this point is foolish, because clearly FD and DB are planning for success and not concerning themselves with these plans right now. They have a game to release.

So go ahead and play the speculation game while the rest of us enjoy the one we're about to get! (ninja'd by Shok )

We're all certainly entitled to our opinions and I simply disagree with yours. I've been around gaming long enough to have seen games go from beta/gamma to release with little or no changes to the gameplay despite that fact that every single one of them promised the released game would be different with extra features not seen in beta!

I don't want Elite to fail, I want it to succeed despite that fact that they stripped the offline mode (my reason for backing in Alpha) and despite the fact that I probably won't play it much if at all at this point. I'm just being realistic as I've seen too many broken promises from too many developers. I actually thought FD was different, right up there with the likes of Bohemia Interactive in terms of dedication to the game/genre. That is, of course, until they pulled a MAJOR feature at the last minute and proved themselves to be much the same as other dev houses.

You're obviously excited for the game and an ardent supporter. Good for you. But I also think you've got your head a little too far up the exhaust port on your sidewinder.

 

[LoSt]

Everyone plans for success. The definition of that success is debatable.

"Got my money, let's roll"
"Servers have been online for 14 years"
"I made a poopy in the potty"

All successes from personal point of view.

That's it. I'm not going to further attempt to open people's eyes. Yeah, I'm a pessimist.

Time to play and do some damage while there are no repercussions for doing so since wipe is tomorrow.

 

[SuBSynk]

Nuclear war? The unexpected can always happen, and a contingency plan can be good consolation in the event of disaster.

Yea because playing Elite will be your top priority in a post apocalyptic world...lol

 

[Unfluffydave]

As an example, Auto Assault servers went offline in just over a year. 14 months after release by a, then, major publisher. Your counter-argument is irrelevant.

As an example, Anarchy Online servers are STILL online and that game was released in 2001 and is still supported and updated and that game was a total clusterflop at release.

 

[LoSt]

As an example, Anarchy Online servers are STILL online and that game was released in 2001 and is still supported and updated and that game was a total clusterflop at release.

LOL. AO still kills me but you're right. Thanks for the new term "clusterflop". I'll be using that at work and give credit to a fluffless dave!

 

[Tarman]

As an example, Anarchy Online servers are STILL online and that game was released in 2001 and is still supported and updated and that game was a total clusterflop at release.

Yes but that hardly holds up the argument of unpredictable future disasters always occurring now does it? Think of what you're saying man! Now people will realize that the future isn't set in stone one way or the other. Way to ruin everything. You and your rationality.

 

[Vikinger]

Ultima online. the very first mmorpg was released 1997. And the servers are still up.