ED Server / Servers Down problems discussion thread

[LoSt]

Yes but that hardly holds up the argument of unpredictable future disasters always occurring now does it? Think of what you're saying man! Now people will realize that the future isn't set in stone one way or the other. Way to ruin everything. You and your rationality.

Not rationality, just another example. Examples I've been giving on the darker side of what can happen. Always assume the worst, you'll never be disappointed. Faith in mankind's innate good nature is a recipe for being unprepared. MYLITTLEPONY.


Anyway. Another good example of longevity against all odds is Firefall. It's been in beta what? since the cold war?

 

[Shoklar]

Yes but that hardly holds up the argument of unpredictable future disasters always occurring now does it? Think of what you're saying man! Now people will realize that the future isn't set in stone one way or the other. Way to ruin everything. You and your rationality.

All I can say is, I don't know the future so I'm not going to waste my time on it, I will however waste some time and enjoy playing Elite: Dangerous.

Shok.

 

[LoSt]

Ultima online. the very first mmorpg was released 1997. And the servers are still up.

No kidding? This one I was not aware of.

Think the UO servers could mount an offensive against the WoW servers any time soon?

 

[Rocktopper]

Nuclear war? The unexpected can always happen, and a contingency plan can be good consolation in the event of disaster.

Yea because playing Elite will be your top priority in a post apocalyptic world...lol

I'd rather play Fallout 3 if that happened.

 

[Vikinger]

No kidding? This one I was not aware of.

Think the UO servers could mount an offensive against the WoW servers any time soon?

Funny thing is. UO still do patches to polish the game and fix bugs even if expansions is spare. But that just show that a game is a never ending story as long its supported by the player base
So as long we keep support ED it will last
No point of having servers open if not anyone play the game.

Only game ive played that shut down the servers for good was a game called earth and beyond. But that company was badly managed.
Frontier have a solid foundation and are involved in many things and have been around for many years and iam sure they will last long time to support Elite.

 

[Polared]

Jim, you really aren't wise!

 

[buellpilot]

but having made a substantial investment in ED I am concerned that I have invested £750 in software that will be useless in (say) four or five years' time

I think I am quite entitled to ask the question given the size of my investment.

I don't want to come across as rude, but the size of your 'investment' doesn't entitle you to anything. The game has a price of £35 plus whatever the value the lifetime (of the game) DLC content might eventually add up to.

When you funded the Kickstarter to that value you know you did it because you wanted Elite back, you had to know the risks and you still very generously funded the game, but you also had to know that the actual value of the software plus expansions would have a market value of £80 - 100.

Your investment in all likelihood will be worth nothing in 4 to 5 years, that is just how the computer game industry works today. Even if Elite Dangerous is a financial success for Frontier and the Elite Dangerous servers are never at any risk of shutting down, at some point the game engine and technology will need a refresh and Frontier will want to expand on their vision with the next version of Elite Dangerous and they will want to sell that to make money, and you will want to buy it!

Again I don't mean to be rude and as a fellow KS I am glad there where funders like you around as the clock ticked down on the Kickstarter.

 

[crushdepth]

It hasn't even been released yet, I can't believe you are worrying about this now. Anyway I can answer questions 2 and 3 for you: No way and no, why should they?

There is at least one example of how (unintentional) release of game code can damage a game - I think it was Lineage I or II - people were setting up dodgy servers all over the place.

Having the game "safe" on your hard drive would not be safe at all.M ods, hacks, private servers and god knows what would be all over the place within days.

 

[ecgallagher]

When the servers are shutdown...

I will probably play something else. If I am not dead - kind of on the old side of the spectrum.

 

[Vikinger]

When the servers are shutdown...

I will probably play something else. If I am not dead - kind of on the old side of the spectrum.

Same here. longest time ive sticked to a game is 4 years. But most of the time it have been 1-2 years before ive moved on to another game.

 

[Phantom Mark]

to the OP.

These are exactly the concerns I have, history shows no games company is 100% safe in the long haul, and it might well be like several other titles I could mention that this game has to carry on serving fans for potentially many years after the developer or publisher /both have long since gone, the whole rights thing and so on has proved time and time again to being the death of games.

Many games out there are still being modded and used years and years after the makers disappeared, Richard Burns Rally, Falcon 4, F/A 18, Longbow 2, to name a few of them....

 

[LoSt]

Same here. longest time ive sticked to a game is 4 years. But most of the time it have been 1-2 years before ive moved on to another game.

Depends on the game. There are some older titles I play to this day because they warrant it. All of the THQ Space Marine titles, Freelancer because of the server release, are just two examples.

I dump games of sub-standard quality. I don't think this is one, which I believe is why a lot of folks are worried.

 

[ecgallagher]

Depends on the game. There are some older titles I play to this day because they warrant it. All of the THQ Space Marine titles, Freelancer because of the server release, are just two examples.

I dump games of sub-standard quality. I don't think this is one, which I believe is why a lot of folks are worried.

I have picked up some games from GOG more for the nostalgia factor - Master of Orion, StarFlight, Populous

 

[LoSt]

I have picked up some games from GOG more for the nostalgia factor - Master of Orion, StarFlight, Populous

Oooh, I remember Populous. Puts the Sims to shame doesn't it?

 

[Tarman]

Depends on the game. There are some older titles I play to this day because they warrant it. All of the THQ Space Marine titles, Freelancer because of the server release, are just two examples.

I dump games of sub-standard quality. I don't think this is one, which I believe is why a lot of folks are worried.

The worry I get; Elite looks like it has some real potential to go places. And some things do totally crash and burn after what looks like a promising start; you mentioned also being involved with MWO. Goodness that was a trainwreck from day one, apart from the great-looking mechs. I gave it almost a year till I realized my monies were officially wasted. 3FPS and 0-damage MGs should ring bells for you. I left during the first great P2W/3PV debacle cause I don't even crusade that hard for REAL causes.

There's a lot of panic and paranoia though, beyond just rational concern for how this will play out. There's a select bunch of people who have taken this game faaaaaaaar too close to heart, and are now flipping about everything instead of taking a reasoned approach. Criticism and complaints are fine. Even your pessimism is fine, but you can see how you're on the rational side of the badstuff coin; and that there are others who don't have that rationality or perspective, and see this as some kind of overly serious issue outside of not playing spaceman.

 

[LoSt]

The worry I get; Elite looks like it has some real potential to go places. And some things do totally crash and burn after what looks like a promising start; you mentioned also being involved with MWO. Goodness that was a trainwreck from day one, apart from the great-looking mechs. I gave it almost a year till I realized my monies were officially wasted. 3FPS and 0-damage MGs should ring bells for you. I left during the first great P2W/3PV debacle cause I don't even crusade that hard for REAL causes.

There's a lot of panic and paranoia though, beyond just rational concern for how this will play out. There's a select bunch of people who have taken this game faaaaaaaar too close to heart, and are now flipping about everything instead of taking a reasoned approach. Criticism and complaints are fine. Even your pessimism is fine, but you can see how you're on the rational side of the badstuff coin; and that there are others who don't have that rationality or perspective, and see this as some kind of overly serious issue outside of not playing spaceman.

That about covers it. I'm on the pessimistic but hopeful side. There are a lot of folks that are too left/right wing.

I'll see how it plays out and go from there.

 

[Bog]

You know, the movie John Carter (of Mars) was declared to be a complete financial failure a week or so before it hit theatres.

And it was. Total flop. Not in least part because the news was humming with how it was a multi-million dollar write-down (loss) for the studio before even ANYONE had had a chance to watch it in the movies. I smelled a rat at the time, and I was correct - the goal was to completely scupper the movie even before it launched, and it worked.

I saw the movie, and rather enjoyed it. It was Indiana Jones Lite, but an entertaining romp. Not amazing, but what Hollywood extruded Entertainment Product is? One of the reasons I got out of that game.

Now, the general chat forum is full of threads about "Whatever shall we do when this game fails?"

Is any of this sounding familiar?

I've been following the Kickstarter from the get-go. Threw in money when I could, bought into the Beta the moment I could, and have loved the DAYLIGHTS out of it ever since. It started amazing, and has gone from strength to strength. And now people are talking about "What shall we do when Frontier goes bankrupt, Dave Braben is killed in an incident involving a Tesla S, a grand piano and an Armadillo AND THE PLANET HAS BEEN NUKED INTO THE CAVES".

Well, newsflash - if there's a nuclear war, EMP will destroy your computer and you'll have bigger worries.

But seriously. Every thread like this gets hoovered up by a sensationalist press, and harms the damned game. QUIT IT!

<sighs>

My 0.02Cr

Bog

 

[Anne Otherplayer]

The game hasn't even released yet, and all you guys talking about the end of days like you expect Frontier to go under within 5 years. Have you really so little confidence in them as a company?

Well yes, based on how they do business it is a real concern.

Instead of clamoring for a guarantee of what YOU get IF they have to shut down their servers, why not put your efforts into promoting the game and sharing the wonders of this new and exciting galaxy with as many people as you can, thereby ensuring its longevity?

We do not work for them, they are supposed to be working for us since we pay their bills.

If anything kills off this game, it will be at least in part this type of negative bet-hedging. On behalf of Frontier and those of us who know this game will be great fun and a total success (in spite of the over-blown reactions to one PR mistake) please stop planning for its failure. You only invite the realization of those fears.

If the company dies it will be at it's own hand, they are working hard to alienate their customer base and rapidly succeeding at it.

Edit: When I say "you guys" I mean everyone who posted stuff like this since last Friday. This is hardly the first post of its kind, and is beyond irrelevant given the Newsletter that was posted today, and the current state of the game (PRE-RELEASE!).

So if you get ripped off you are fine with that. Good to know, what's your address again? Some people are able to detect a pattern in the behaviour of FD and it is a great concern when they tell you something, do you believe it even though they have repeatedly told you things will be one way and then they aren't?

 

[Morbad]

Game should include server and mod tools from the get go.

I can understand the focus being elsewhere. I can understand the vision being an Elite MMO. However, unexpected things happen despite best intentions, and promises should be kept sooner rather than later.

Ultima online. the very first mmorpg was released 1997. And the servers are still up.

Not the first MMORPG. I played at least two that predated UO (Dark Sun Online and Meridian 59), and I am sure there were others.

Also, there are more defunct MMOs than running ones at this point.

 

[Bog]

Game should include server and mod tools from the get go.

After the whole fooforaw being about the Frontier devs being able to deliver the game experience - nay, vision - that they've been working towards for years, don't you think that's sort of 1) Unrealistic and 2) A bit rude, because you're saying before even playing the release-state game that you know you're going to be unsatisfied and think you can do better?

#onthesidesofmakers