Elite:Dangerous for Linux?

Keybuk

Keybuk
znôrt said:
i remember having paid for suse, back in the day. it came with manuals (on paper!) and all. nice distort.
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And out of business now...

znôrt said:
linux is overwhelmingly open source, doesn't mean there's no use for binaries, it's just distros can't maintain them and the original vendors must do.
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It's worse than that, if a distro tries to ship the binaries, they get sued by other Linux developers.

znôrt said:
android is linux based too and is chock full with third pary binaries.
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Android is an interesting case, because while it uses the Linux kernel, it uses none of the rest of the system (the bit rms wants us to add "GNU/" to the front, for). It does this to avoid the above problem of being sued by other Linux developers.
 

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Keybuk said:
And out of business now...
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Reports of Suse's demise are grossly exaggerated: https://www.suse.com/


Keybuk said:
It's worse than that, if a distro tries to ship the binaries, they get sued by other Linux developers.
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I'd very much like to see some cases cited here. Where a company ends up in litigation, it is usually for failing to redistrubute the source code. Shipping binaries is perfectly acceptable under the GPL (very few people are are going to bootstrap from source), but shipping only binaries and withholding source is not.

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Cmdrs,

Please, let's not descend into ad hominem.

I really think that getting into a debate about how much we may or may not have paid for a Linux Distro back in the day, or who has the bigger developer credentials is counter productive.

Reworded, the question is: How much do Linux users spend on games?

I think that is a useful topic to debate, lets look at the research that others have done and debate on that data at least?

I'll start us off:

A series of Articles from Gaming on LInux about sales:

A (now defunct) data vis of humble bundle sales



I'm fascinated by the low numbers, but do wonder how much of that is simply low market penetration for Linux gaming rigs.

There are also some interesting quotes from developers in the Gaming on Linux pages, I note that by and large the cost for porting is low, but the returns are equally so.
 
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wstephenson

wstephenson
Keybuk said:
And out of business now...
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That is a blunt lie. I'm sitting in my office at SUSE at this moment and we are very much in business: http://www.suse.com if you need an enterprise Linux or many other to products to manage your business needs, from the desktop to the data center. http://www.opensuse.org if you need a Free community-supported Linux distribution, http://build.opensuse.org if you want to package your software for all important Linux distributions in one place (which, incidentally, is used in-house by hardware vendors to provide drivers). The openSUSE boxed product including printed manual is still available but is no longer produced by us, having been adopted by Open Source Press several years ago.
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Kisvakond

Kisvakond
Keybuk said:
The reason Linux gaming has never really taken off is the general unwillingness of Linux users to pay for anything, and the general hostility of Linux developers to anything that doesn't come with the source code.
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What you mentioned (this money for nothing, software for free approach) was true, still about 10 years ago.
But now, Gabe is about to sell games for (his) Linux (and encourages devs to port win games to (his) Linux).
 

Hawkmoon

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Hi guys just an observation that may answer the question as to why.....

This thread is over three years old yet has just over one thousand posts on it most of them from the same small group of people, to me that does not point towards a big demand for a Linux version of the game.
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
There aren't many of us Linux gamers out there (not counting Android, game servers – I host a few private ones for fun myself – etc.), but I'd imagine most of us are willing to pay as much, if not more, for the games we want. I can only really speak for myself though and a game being available on Linux is one of the main things I look for when buying it.

I've been gaming on Windows for... decades and have only really been using Linux for a few years. While I still do primarily game on Windows, most of the games I play are Linux compatible and their numbers are growing at a much faster rate.
 

PvtTUX

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Hawkmoon said:
Hi guys just an observation that may answer the question as to why.....

This thread is over three years old yet has just over one thousand posts on it most of them from the same small group of people, to me that does not point towards a big demand for a Linux version of the game.
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I keep an eye on this thread but seldom post as as it often ends up with the usual arguments.

I don't think this thread counts as market research tbh but I take your point, however other games have/are being ported and I'll continue to buy them on steam (linux) when they appear if they take my fancy :)

Elite has a 10 year plan and a platform agnostic engine if that's the right term, so who knows eh ?

Maybe I'll start a thread asking for Elite to be "Fully Nerfed" by demanding it to be ported to Linux, thereby keeping everyone happy ;)
 

VictorT

VictorT
EdzUp said:
Exactly how I write my code I have my own log system like you do, not only does this help as I can see what I want but when debugging I can see what function fails and go from there.
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Kisvakond said:
The version that the current stable SteamOS uses, is just perfect! :)
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PvtTUX said:
I keep an eye on this thread but seldom post as as it often ends up with the usual arguments.

I don't think this thread counts as market research tbh but I take your point, however other games have/are being ported and I'll continue to buy them on steam (linux) when they appear if they take my fancy :)

Elite has a 10 year plan and a platform agnostic engine if that's the right term, so who knows eh ?

Maybe I'll start a thread asking for Elite to be "Fully Nerfed" by demanding it to be ported to Linux, thereby keeping everyone happy ;)
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This raises a good point though.

There are a huge number of Linux users and gamers who never post in forums, or even read them, but they're out there.

in terms of market research (which this thread is most certainly not.), check out the forums in Steam, just do a search in any given game that isn't for Linux, find games that DON'T have threads asking for Linux. and among those that do, are they all the same people?

spoiler alert: they're not. Largely they're different people. Though sometimes you see the same names now and again..

My point is, the vocal demand for Linux isn't ever going to be as high as the actual demand. A significant portion of people are merely using Windows -until- they can stop dual-booting. You don't here them in forums as much as the no-tux-no-bux crowd, but they're out there all the same.

US$0.02++
 

WR3ND

WR3ND
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I tend to agree with this sentiment. For a while, before HTML5 was as mainstream, and not caring for Flash, I would change out my browser tags, telling sites false information (different browser and browser version, OS, and on rare circumstances even IP address) just to get them to work correctly. Then of course there are things such as changing the source info for what sites I was linking from, and so on.

Granted, there probably aren't all that many people who do this sort of thing, but for the time when I was (about a year, or so), any web statistics gathered from me would have been incorrect, and showing that I wasn't using Linux when I was.

No one really introduced me to Linux. I was just curious about it, looked into it, and decided to gave it a shot. I imagine that there are others like me who would gladly use it instead of Windows, if it did more of what they casually wanted it to (like play more of their games, etc.).

Just some more food for thought.

Here's a joke one I used a while ago. I didn't actually use this for browsing, etc., just as an example.

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Cheers.
 
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wstephenson

wstephenson
Kisvakond said:
Let's wait until June when non-legit win copies (not subject to upgrading) run out of official support.
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I wouldn't count on it. This is what we hoped for with Windows Vista, when XP was supposed to run out of support. We were doing preloads of SUSE for netbook manufacturers at the time. MS just extended XP support forever and basically gave it away so that the nascent netbook market didn't run full-speed into the arms of Linux (the original Eee PC had a homemade Linux desktop and shipped many wellknown Linux apps).

If MS sees a threat, they can change the parameters very quickly.
 

Kisvakond

Kisvakond
wstephenson said:
I wouldn't count on it. This is what we hoped for with Windows Vista, when XP was supposed to run out of support. We were doing preloads of SUSE for netbook manufacturers at the time. MS just extended XP support forever and basically gave it away so that the nascent netbook market didn't run full-speed into the arms of Linux (the original Eee PC had a homemade Linux desktop and shipped many wellknown Linux apps).

If MS sees a threat, they can change the parameters very quickly.
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Yeah, quite possible. However, this change is driven by the devs and OEMs now. They look really [heart][heart][heart][heart] up this time.
 
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mr. Berg Mos

mr. Berg Mos
I finally managed to get dual-boot working on an UEFI mobo like a dream.
Default booting OS is Linux Mint and WinBlows is only for Elite Dangerous.

Now that Vulkan and Wine are going forward strongly I hope that someday I can wipe the windoze partitions for good.
Even better would be that Frontier Developments would make a Linux port.

See you CMDR's in space and fly safe.
 

Cmdr Ricey

Cmdr Ricey
Hi guys,

Just wanted to add my 2 pence to the Linux discussion - I also have Win 10 installed to run just 1 application - ED!

What an utter waste of my resources, but there we are!

My major concern for not using Windows is a security and, more over, privacy issue. I really don't like the way that MS wants to know what I'm doing with MY computer!

Even with all the privacy settings turned on, so that Windows reports nothing, there is still a lot of internet traffic coming from my PC to Microsoft registered domains and IP addresses. Not for me I'm afraid!

Please make ED for Linux or at least Wine friendly!

Cheers!
 

Forge64

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Digit said:
still refusing to install windows just for elite.

i dont like that to play elite, i am to agree to that user agreement of microsoft's. eeew.

as a backer, i see now i was over-confident that a version for GNU/Linux would happen soon after.

hoping eventually for at least something better than garbage showing up on winehq..

*checks again*

nope, not yet. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=16405
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Sadly, I'm in agreement, and to make matters worse, you can't even give away your copy. I had originally had a friend purchase for me as I was overseas with no trustable internet access, and a few months after I started playing, my account was just gone one day. Support refuses to discuss it in any way. A well-meaning friend bought me another copy soon after, but I can't bring myself to play, all I see are the things I've lost, experiences and achievements that can't ever be replaced. Better to set it all aside and move on, I think. It's the only way to really show Frontier how we feel, and I doubt they care much.
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
For update: I tried ED with Wine 1.9.17 on Fedora 24. Wine 32-bit prefix, .NET 4.5 for launcher, 32-bit install of ED Season 1 (64-bit install is blocked by NET support lacking on Wine 64-bit).

It launches black screen, which is progress, because before that it just crashed and even didn't get there.

Wine devs work continue work on shader support. I plan to do bug reports on functions I see in debug (fixme/stubs) so devs can check out.
 
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