Nice update, thanks.
Nice update, thanks.
Same here. I just now need to dual boot. Kills initiative to do so.
theres always the promising but noncommital star citizen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciCNkp20O7w&t=19m45s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciCNkp20O7w&t=19m45s
On the other hand, if Elite
angerous did come out for Linux, I'd never get anything done.Yes, but have you actually looked at the lineup for Valve's Linux? Tell me, would you like to play any of those games? I see mostly indie titles, which isn't a bad thing, but its not going to make me switch to Linux.
I may not know much about Linux, but you clearly have no idea about PC.
Day Z, every flight simulator ever made, Star Craft 2, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Mount and Blade, X3, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.
Are all extremely successful PC only titles. None of which work on Linux, or consoles.
My point is, PC gaming is a rather huge audience in comparison to Linux. Does it dwarf console gaming? No, but Elite will make a substantial amount of money before it moves to consoles. The same can't be said if they had done a Linux only release. Based on a Valve user survey a whopping 1.51% out of 40 million users use some form of Linux. (Well, all those who participated in the survey.)
40 million people around the world use Valve's Steam, which is a PC GAMING program.
No offence, but people DO use Pc's for gaming. So I have to disagree with you on that statement.
My entire point through all of this, is that Linux is not a gaming platform. It may be one day, but right now? Nope. I do hope Elite gets released on as many platforms as humanly possible however. It really deserves a place at the absolute top of the gaming pyramid.
There are 43.5 million Playstation 4 consoles in circulation - that's 3.5 million more than the number of people using Steam. Playstation 4 runs an operating system based on FreeBSD 9, a Unix-like one, named Orbis OS. Porting a game to both Playstation 4 and Linux simultaneously cannot be that hard I'm not a game developer, simply a reverse engineer, and the last Playstation I used was the PS2. Just wanted to throw this out there...
Yes, but have you actually looked at the lineup for Valve's Linux? Tell me, would you like to play any of those games? I see mostly indie titles, which isn't a bad thing, but its not going to make me switch to Linux.
I may not know much about Linux, but you clearly have no idea about PC.
Day Z, every flight simulator ever made, Star Craft 2, World of Warcraft, Planetside 2, Mount and Blade, X3, etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.etc.
Are all extremely successful PC only titles. None of which work on Linux, or consoles.
My point is, PC gaming is a rather huge audience in comparison to Linux. Does it dwarf console gaming? No, but Elite will make a substantial amount of money before it moves to consoles. The same can't be said if they had done a Linux only release. Based on a Valve user survey a whopping 1.51% out of 40 million users use some form of Linux. (Well, all those who participated in the survey.)
40 million people around the world use Valve's Steam, which is a PC GAMING program.
No offence, but people DO use Pc's for gaming. So I have to disagree with you on that statement.
My entire point through all of this, is that Linux is not a gaming platform. It may be one day, but right now? Nope. I do hope Elite gets released on as many platforms as humanly possible however. It really deserves a place at the absolute top of the gaming pyramid.
Granted, this was some time abo, but you specifically mention Mount and Blade and X3, both of which now have a Linux port (at least Mount and Blade: Warband and X3: Reunion, X3: Terran Conflict, X3: Ablion Prelude and X Rebirth.) Pretty sure no one in this thread ever suggested a Linux only release either, but I guess since this is an old post, kind of a moot argument, I just felt like pointing out that games are being ported to Linux quite successfully.
I got tired of dual booting and installed win 8.1, then used http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/Aegis.shtml this software to disable all telemetry updates and block all connections to microsoft in the hosts file. I don't worry anymore and enjoy an easy to use OS without all the hassle that comes with Linux. Because however good the documentation about linux is, if something gets botched, it's really botched, and you do need to get into the shell and enter commands that you have to find on another computer that still works (usually my phone, which runs Android
) I prefer to use my computer, not configure it all the time, which is what Linux forces you to do. It's fun to geek around with sometimes, but I really like something that works out of the box. This, and Linux isn't up to par with windows when it comes to speed and ease of configuration. Trust me, I've been trying linux for 20 years and have seen the improvements over time, but I always go back to windows after messing about with yet another configuration file in the shell when something breaks, and it usually breaks itself. Windows on the other hand has the tendency to fix itself, giving me actual time to use the computer for what I want to use it for. Geeks can still mess about with windows just the same as you can mess about with Linux. It's a more mature OS and it is 'hackable' just like Linux is.I got tired of dual booting and installed win 8.1, then used http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/Aegis.shtml this software to disable all telemetry updates and block all connections to microsoft in the hosts file. I don't worry anymore and enjoy an easy to use OS without all the hassle that comes with Linux. Because however good the documentation about linux is, if something gets botched, it's really botched, and you do need to get into the shell and enter commands that you have to find on another computer that still works (usually my phone, which runs Android
hardly "hackable", with linux I can rebuild the entire os and customize it how I like...from the kernel to the userspace utilities. At best, windows 8/10 offer more unix friendly shells. as well as what i think they're doing in supporting a unix userspace layer directly in windows (think cygwin only without having to build for cygwin). 20 years and you're not comfortable with the command line and keeping your system working? ....odd... Not sure what you're doing to your machines.
The argument for Linux support is that the work has already been mostly done by creating a mac port. The mac port is a dead end. A linux port would not be because regardless of the open source drivers, linux has proprietary video drivers that will offer the same opengl support as windows.
I too, purchased windows just to play Elite. I would rather not dual boot but it's not the end of the world. Seems like they're already stretched too thin supporting the builds they currently have going. If a single Windows 10 build would be the least amount of overhead for supporting xbox and windows, freeing up time to actually quality control their releases then i'm all for that too.
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people who think Linux is hard to use, haven't used it (in a while).
I've been playing games on my steambox, including Mount & Blade, X3: Albion Prelude, Rocket League, and a bunches of others you've probably heard of.
Before your very eyes, Linux is (becoming) a mainstream gaming platform.
Sure would be nice to have the best Space Flight Sim on earth available for it. =/
I've been playing games on my steambox, including Mount & Blade, X3: Albion Prelude, Rocket League, and a bunches of others you've probably heard of.
Before your very eyes, Linux is (becoming) a mainstream gaming platform.
Sure would be nice to have the best Space Flight Sim on earth available for it. =/
I got tired of dual booting and installed win 8.1, then used http://www.softpedia.com/get/Tweak/System-Tweak/Aegis.shtml this software to disable all telemetry updates and block all connections to microsoft in the hosts file. I don't worry anymore and enjoy an easy to use OS without all the hassle that comes with Linux. Because however good the documentation about linux is, if something gets botched, it's really botched, and you do need to get into the shell and enter commands that you have to find on another computer that still works (usually my phone, which runs Android
This depends heavily on what distro you use. I don't know too much about the inner workings (e.g comparing Ubuntu vs Fedora), but my recommendation would be to go with Ubuntu backend since it's the most popular with the most up to date repositories and such, then with KDE, Gnome, or better yet Elementary frontend. KDE is very easy to customise but can cause driver headaches easily. Gnome works anywhere, but Gnome 3 is just too strange for most people to enjoy using, while Elementary is basically OSx with a few less features.
Elementary is what I use, and their mission is not as Ubuntu or Fedora, to create a free, open source, hackable OS, but to create a free, open source, hackable, but primarily useable OS. I must say, with their latest release, they have done a spiffing job. A few things I've had to install using dpkg (no default .deb handler), but given the infrequency I can't complain about that. The UI has never let me down. There's a bit of a flicker at login but otherwise it's been 100% stable. I'm using an EVGA GTX770 OC which is running fine, with absolutely no graphics issues. I installed the OS, did an update and checked the button to download drivers at install, and the drivers installed are stable. I play DotA 2 on this machine and I have no lag or querks in that.
As an advocator of Linux for all, I would highly recommend picking up Elementary and giving Linux 1 last try. At this point, it is at its most user friendly and easy to use. The only down side to it is that they take a couple of months to update to the latest Ubuntu backend. The reason for this is that they (unlike all the other Linux developers) have a stringent QA process which they actually adhere to.
I feel like a lot of the Windows users here whom earlier in the thread were telling people to just install Windows would actually buy the game again if it was released on Linux
I wonder if it is really reasonable to wait a version for Linux
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I doubt it
I would love for there to be a Linux versions but until Vulcan gets any traction (feature wise on par with DX12 and support from the major studios) I don't think it would happen. I do think it would help reduce the cost of entry into PC gaming if Linux gaming did happen. Being able to scrap that £100-200 software purchase means extra to be spent in better hardware So rather that having to get the GTX1060 someone might be able to afford the GTX1070 instead 
Future technology needs to depend less on specific OS platforms, especially the closed proprietary ones. As much as I am a big Linux supporter, having Elite Dangerous on Linux for me would be less about Linux itself and more about the potential to begin down the path of cross-platform compatible software. Vulkan is a good step in this direction. It's not that easy but it's a significant step.
I'd be willing to financially support Elite Dangerous that utilised Vulkan across all platforms where it is supported.
I'd be willing to financially support Elite Dangerous that utilised Vulkan across all platforms where it is supported.
I have Linux Only gaming System (Nvidia GTX 980 ti graphics card fedora 64 bit , 32GB ram I7 4Ghz
X-Plane 10 arguably the best flight simulator at the moment.
Performs far better on linux than on Windows (http://www.avsim.com/topic/362799-x-plane-10-performance-comparison-window-vs-linux/)
mainly because X-plane uses OpenGL and not Direct X, still my point i want to make is that Linux can be a better platform for games than windows, provided the game manufactures take Linux seriously. I will never run Windows on any of my hardware, further more I have even found many windows native games perform better emulated under Wine on Linux than they do on Windows natively, !!! so imagine how well they will perform if they were coded to play on Linux natively. Game developers who take the plunge to support Linux properly will be rewarded for their effort, maybe not immediately but long term certainly.
X-Plane 10 arguably the best flight simulator at the moment.
Performs far better on linux than on Windows (http://www.avsim.com/topic/362799-x-plane-10-performance-comparison-window-vs-linux/)
mainly because X-plane uses OpenGL and not Direct X, still my point i want to make is that Linux can be a better platform for games than windows, provided the game manufactures take Linux seriously. I will never run Windows on any of my hardware, further more I have even found many windows native games perform better emulated under Wine on Linux than they do on Windows natively, !!! so imagine how well they will perform if they were coded to play on Linux natively. Game developers who take the plunge to support Linux properly will be rewarded for their effort, maybe not immediately but long term certainly.
This depends heavily on what distro you use.
I recently discovered Linux Mint, and I'm quite pleased. It's a mature desktop forked from Ubuntu, but with less bugs. Contrary to other distros I've used it actually works out of the box (even before installing it detects all my modern hardware). It also comes with a lot of desktop tools to change the configuration, so you don't need to get into the shell and edit files manually, which I think is a plus when it comes to a user-friendly desktop OS. As opposed to other distros i've tried, It didn't break after installing the proprietary NVIDIA drivers because of the accuracy of the desktop config tools. It definitely made me want to give it a permanent spot on my SSD and motivates to explore the possibilities of getting Elite to run.
Linux has thousands of games (largly thanks to Steam, Desura, GOG, and others), i have hundreds of those games.. I haven't even been able to play them all.
It's Frontier leaving that money on the table, not Linux gamers. 1% (and that's the average, being as most linux gamers are space nerds, it's bound to be higher) is still millions of gamers, times however much E: D costs, is how much money they're leaving on the table.
Surely this covers the cost of porting and support.. They should talk to Feral Interactive and outsource the whole effort if they have such a bad taste in their own mouths about it.
I KNEW porting E: D to the mac was a bad idea to begin with, it doesn't have even close to as modern the graphics subsystem Linux has.
Whatever. It sucks.
I play a lot of games, I wish this was one of them.
Most of the computer engineers I know are Linux buffs. Most server kod people are also Linux buffs.
But it's a far-cry being a user and being a developer.
I popped back to uni (again) as an adult and made friends with most of the teachers (more than the kids), and one worked on the Schools presitgious 3D engine,
and as a hobby he's working on getting the Vulkan version of the engine he helped create up and running. And it's lovely to see such a smart- get hobbled by being a noob at something, but he's awesome and soldiering on.
http://nebulatrifid.org/
then you got all the testing on the different machines,
and it probably would solve Horizons for Mac as well.
Now Frontier Probably know and have sunk some time into this. How far along,and how much money they are willing to toss at this to get it sorted is another problem.
They had the base game working on Mac (and openGL) so according to the Valve pundits back with their linux talk,
that's 80% the battle already won, (lower/uppercase filename issues etc etc).
I would say, Vulkan support would be the main priority for the game engine for both Mac and Linux customers, but it's a healthy chunk of R&D.
But it's a far-cry being a user and being a developer.
I popped back to uni (again) as an adult and made friends with most of the teachers (more than the kids), and one worked on the Schools presitgious 3D engine,
and as a hobby he's working on getting the Vulkan version of the engine he helped create up and running. And it's lovely to see such a smart- get hobbled by being a noob at something, but he's awesome and soldiering on.
http://nebulatrifid.org/
then you got all the testing on the different machines,
and it probably would solve Horizons for Mac as well.
Now Frontier Probably know and have sunk some time into this. How far along,and how much money they are willing to toss at this to get it sorted is another problem.
They had the base game working on Mac (and openGL) so according to the Valve pundits back with their linux talk,
that's 80% the battle already won, (lower/uppercase filename issues etc etc).
I would say, Vulkan support would be the main priority for the game engine for both Mac and Linux customers, but it's a healthy chunk of R&D.
As of today I have installed Ubuntu on my machine. All of the games of my Steam Library that I used to play on Windows are working absolutely fine with no extra software, just "out-of-the-box" Ubuntu (currently playing Cities Skylines and Salt and Sanctuary). I really wish Frontier would port Elite. People saying that being a Linux user is hard or that Linux is not a gaming platform have outdated information about this subject, it took me 30 minutes to understand how Ubuntu works (at a end user level), and soon I was playing my games as if I never had change my OS. I like Ubuntu well enough that I rather not play Elite again ever than go back to Windows.