Elite Dangerous now on Steam

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khaitom

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" Note that once your game has been Greenlit and you are preparing for release, any in-game transactions or subscriptions available to Steam customers must be purchasable only by the Steam Wallet."

Frontier have to put systems in place that block steam users from buying content directly from Frontier. That sounds like a but of a nightmare. Imagine the tears if planetary landings got released outside of steam first (as would be sensible from a financial point of view)

I can't believe steam force you to sign over a percentage of all future takings to them for everyone you issue a key to.

There are huge costs to Frontier for issuing steam keys, I've heard as much as 34% of the price of stuff sold through steam. That's crazy. Especially as paid expansions for this could go on for years and steam may be irrelevant by then, just still skimming money from players who didn't originally buy through steam but demanded a key.
 
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Fisker

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khaitom said:
" Note that once your game has been Greenlit and you are preparing for release, any in-game transactions or subscriptions available to Steam customers must be purchasable only by the Steam Wallet."

Frontier have to put systems in place that block steam users from buying content directly from Frontier. That sounds like a but if a nightmare. Imagine the tears if planetary landings got released outside of steam first (as would be sensible from a financial point of view)

I can't believe steam force you to sign over a percentage if all future takings to them for everyone youbissye a key to.

There are huge costs to Frontier for issuing steam keys, I've heard as much as 34% of the price of stuff sold through steam. That's crazy. Especially as paid expansions for this could go on for years and steam may be irrelevant by then, just still skimming money from layers who didn't originally buy through steam but demanded a key.
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That only applies to free games.
 

Zalifer

Zalifer
khaitom said:
" Note that once your game has been Greenlit and you are preparing for release, any in-game transactions or subscriptions available to Steam customers must be purchasable only by the Steam Wallet."

Frontier have to put systems in place that block steam users from buying content directly from Frontier. That sounds like a but of a nightmare. Imagine the tears if planetary landings got released outside of steam first (as would be sensible from a financial point of view)

I can't believe steam force you to sign over a percentage of all future takings to them for everyone you issue a key to.

There are huge costs to Frontier for issuing steam keys, I've heard as much as 34% of the price of stuff sold through steam. That's crazy. Especially as paid expansions for this could go on for years and steam may be irrelevant by then, just still skimming money from players who didn't originally buy through steam but demanded a key.
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This entire post is incorrect.

Steam do take a slice of all sales, but only free games are required to only sell to steam customers through steam. This is because on a free game, they need some way to make their profit.

Frontier can sell expansions as normal, and provide steam keys to anyone they want without locking themselves into a steam only payment model, as it's not a free game.
 

Sanderson

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FuzzySpider said:
That's very cynical. I think it's more likely they wanted a boost in sales by getting it out over a holiday period when people are generally more likely to get entertainment type purchases.
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I agree, it is cynical, for good reason as unfortunately there seems to be no thought about existing loyal customers. We, the existing loyal customers, are an afterthought and don't seem to have been considered at all prior to releasing ED on Steam or the impact this has on us and our friends. IMO.

There's no excuse for not considering existing customers, none at all. Someone at FD must of at least asked "what about existing customers?" and someone decided "screw them". Either that or no one considered us at all, which, IMO, is even worse.

Time I start shopping for a new space game I think. I'll keep playing ED until I find a better space game or a company that doesn't have it's head planted firmly between two fleshy lower extremity body parts.

[edit] I should add, if David does another one of his "the customer is not to be trusted" interviews (like he did with the offline/refund thing) I'll just stop playing or purchasing anything ED or FD for as long as I live, however short that may be.

This is really turning into a mini-me EA/Peter Molyneux experience and I'm not enjoying the ride.
 
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CMDR Han Solo.

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Sanderson said:
I agree, it is cynical, for good reason as unfortunately there seems to be no thought about existing loyal customers. We, the existing loyal customers, are an afterthought and don't seem to have been considered at all prior to releasing ED on Steam or the impact this has on us and our friends. IMO.

There's no excuse for not considering existing customers, none at all. Someone at FD must of at least asked "what about existing customers?" and someone decided "screw them". Either that or no one considered us at all, which, IMO, is even worse.

Time I start shopping for a new space game I think. I'll keep playing ED until I find a better space game or a company that doesn't have it's head planted firmly between two fleshy lower extremity body parts.

[edit] I should add, if David does another one of his "the customer is not to be trusted" interviews (like he did with the offline/refund thing) I'll just stop playing or purchasing anything ED or FD for as long as I live, however short that may be.

This is really turning into a mini-me EA/Peter Molyneux experience and I'm not enjoying the ride.
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Bye ....
 

amigacooke

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Glasofruix said:
Some of the negative steam reviews are rather entertaining, like the guy who rammed the station when he boosted by mistake and lost his exploration data, somehow it's the game's fault. At least we don't have to worry about idiots roaming our universe.
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I don't want to alarm you, but all those 'idiots' are roaming your universe ;)
 

CravenTHC

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Titus Balls said:
Day 3: "The mouth breathers are still banging at the airlock demanding Steam keys. Running out of food, water and sanity. I hope they send help soon"
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Although I agree that some people are way too entitled here in this thread, is it really necessary to go around insulting others? Does it make you feel better about yourself? The idea that some folks who backed the game early on would like to add this game to their steam library, for many purposes that have been previously stated, isn't an odd idea. I'm happy that the game is getting more exposure thanks to Steam, but I think some folks are fairly justified in their request to not have to pay an additional $60 US just to have it on Steam.
 

Kayweg

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Titus Balls said:
Day 3: "The mouth breathers are still banging at the airlock demanding Steam keys. Running out of food, water and sanity. I hope they send help soon"
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You tend to make some valid points, not all of them i agree with.

But geeez, do you really need to rely on this blatant (almost hateful) insulting as often as you do ?
 
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Kano Magnus

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CravenTHC said:
is it really necessary to go around insulting others?
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See normally I'd say no, perhaps people ought to calm down and be civil, but surveying the army of spoiled manchildren (w/o a shred of reading comprehension between them) renders it not only necessary but desirable
 

Phoenix

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Yes he does. It's the only sane way to react to what happens here.

Honestly, the main problem witH FD giving out Steam keys for free is the following:
Giving out a Steam key is ususally only 'giving access through steam'.

Elite: Dangerous is a bit different here. Buying, of getting 'gifted' a game on steam, of getting a steam key from the publisher in this case entitles you not only to download the game through Steam and add it to your library here, but also to create a new Account.

In fact, right now that would mean FD had to gift every player a full second game license / account. I totally understand that this is not going to happen that way.

They need to find a way to hand out Steam Keys that do NOT entitle you to create a second account. That will not happen throughout the easter holidays, and I am afraid this will take a few extra days to sort out in the weeks after easter.

So the sane thing is to keep calm, and wait. FD said they are looking into it, and when they solved this dilemma, they will, I am totally sure about that, happily give us the Keys that add the Game to our steam libraries while not gifting us a full second account.

Thing is: FD is putting effort in this. Effort / time (and thus money), they are spending on us, the people that already payed (a lot) for this game. They are doing the work to sort this out for free, besides or instead other stuff they could do to improve the game (like adding Thargoids). Honestly, I'd personally rather have Thargoids sooner and a Steam key later, but I am grateful of the work they put in the game and they put in the community so far. Please don't press the guys as Frontier. They probably do the best they can. And again: it's easter. There's probably no one on the Steam side right now to help them solve this, if they are going to work through the holidays anyways.
 
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