Patch Notes Update Elite: Dangerous Update 1.05 Change Log

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So if I sold back the ship I would have lost 10% on the trade in value of the discounted price. I know that because I put the ship in to the PX box for a cobra to see how much I would lose. So having lost over 5 mill credits on the deal buying the Python through the as you put it , shady price description, I would have lost another 5 million on its trade in value too making around 10 million. Seems kind of lopsided to me.

By the way until you pay for the ship you think you are getting the discounted price it isn't until the buy button is actually pressed that the true amount is taken from you, so you are unaware this is about to happen.


You'd have lost 10% of the price you paid for the ship if you'd sold it back. Now if you'd done that, and raised a ticket, and were now complaining that you hadn't had that loss reimbursed I'd accept that you have a point.
If you kept the ship, having paid the price that the developers say you should have paid for it, and are now complaining that the price you paid was more than the price displayed... well, I don't see that you were cheated out of credits. You found a bug and decided to accept the consequence of the bug. Sure, it's a bug that needed fixing. And I have to say... bottom line if you have the cash to buy a Python then quibbling over a 5m loss is like me quibbling about loosing a few hundred thousand - frankly I'd suck it up and get on with enjoying the game.
 
- Added telemetry for when a player dies to help identify cause of death when players explode near stations


This happened to me, while having a 50t load of rares, I wasted 500k to rebuild on top of that. Gimme my credits back or I am going to sue that station.
 
I suspect that if you are leaving yourself with 'no credits to safely work' when charged 5.7 mil more than you expected for a 57 mil ship, then you were setting yourself up for trouble in the first place - I wouldn't even consider buying a ship unless I had double the asking price, so I could afford to even think about dropping half-decent modules into it.

-- Pete.
On this I agree with you as regards leaving yourself without insurance and buying power for filling the ship to trade, but 5.7 million covered the insurance at 2.3 million on the base ship. and I would have had enough to trade well around Founders system as well as buying a couple of larger cargo holds. As it was I sold all the cargo holds except one 32 slot one and slowly but very very carefully worked the ship up to full cargo holds without insurance and only original weaponry and modules and now I am comfortable with it. As It has been upgraded well, and is a strong and dependable ship, and is now fully insured.

Had I realised the problem at founders world I could have purchased the ship for the full price anywhere else, although I have benefitted with cheaper modules, still some stuff to go though. My problem that I see in the future is that if and when I PX it for something else I will lose again as my PX price may be based on a discounted price I never received, same as anyone else who bought at full price but has the founders world marker on the ship.
 
So will this patch fix the resetting of kill numbers in a standard kill mission? Very annoying when you are on your last kill to complete the mission and then the NPC with the branching dialogue resets you back to zero kills.
Oh, I had this too, slightly annoying. But good to see the updates are coming in, even if its small stuff that i havent had issues with.
 
Well that is completely untrue. 10-20 minutes maybe. I don't know, I haven't got the patience to stare at the galaxy map that long waiting for it to sort itself out.

Yes you can. Done it loads of times. You just have to wait a little for it to become available while the nav computer does the calculations. Only takes about 10-20 seconds maybe, maybe less. never timed it.
 
You'd have lost 10% of the price you paid for the ship if you'd sold it back. Now if you'd done that, and raised a ticket, and were now complaining that you hadn't had that loss reimbursed I'd accept that you have a point.
If you kept the ship, having paid the price that the developers say you should have paid for it, and are now complaining that the price you paid was more than the price displayed... well, I don't see that you were cheated out of credits. You found a bug and decided to accept the consequence of the bug. Sure, it's a bug that needed fixing. And I have to say... bottom line if you have the cash to buy a Python then quibbling over a 5m loss is like me quibbling about loosing a few hundred thousand - frankly I'd suck it up and get on with enjoying the game.

Except that I only found the bug after the ships purchase. And sucking on that leaves a really nasty taste. And I will probably lose again if I PX it for another ship later on as from what I am understanding I will only get PX value of a discounted ship. And whether it represents a number of millions or a number of thousands is totally irrelevant. My number of millions represents my hours of gameplay and the other players thousands represent their hours of gameplay. the hours probably being similar. Or is it you think if I can afford to buy a Python I really deserve to be cheated out of a few million.
 
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Yes you can. Done it loads of times. You just have to wait a little for it to become available while the nav computer does the calculations. Only takes about 10-20 seconds maybe, maybe less. never timed it.

You sure about that? I'm quite sure planning over 100LY is not possible now.
 

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So you think it's fine that many players got robbed for millions, money had set aside for insurance and modules? Why is this different from the bugs where people got refunded after losing money?

Speaking as someone who's bought multiple ships in the Founder's system and have therefore also "lost" money to this bug, I really couldn't care less about a refund. All that matters is the issue is fixed now.
 
Are you sure you read the right dictionary when you were young?

cheat
verb \ˈchēt\

: to break a rule or law usually to gain an advantage at something

: to take something from (someone) by lying or breaking a rule

: to prevent (someone) from having something that he or she deserves or was expecting to get


To me, all of these have an element of willfulness from the side of the cheater - Do you believe that Frontier was out to steal virtual credits from you. have they lied to you, what have they actively prevented?

Edit: I would like to add that I have spend more than 1 billion on outfitting in this game and were we to get a refund for this I would gain at least 20 million . But I do take issue with self-entitled, overly aggressive posts as yours. At best they help you to vent and, well, that's the "at best" scenario...

Oh please please save me from the pedantic dictionary quoter who likes to seem important by doing Google searches or leafs through their home dictionary. I bet you like to break posts down into single line quotes so you can pore over them and pull little tiny bits out for your delectation.
 
Speaking as someone who's bought multiple ships in the Founder's system and have therefore also "lost" money to this bug, I really couldn't care less about a refund. All that matters is the issue is fixed now.

But then you clearly knew and could plan for the price issue. Many others didn't and got shafted.
 
added ship discount for founders world... one more reason not to grind money due to this unfair advantage of
founders... np with a special founders world, but giving clear advantages is just not so great... happy I dont
care about the money at all atm otherwise I would have to rage.
 
Oh please please save me from the pedantic dictionary quoter who likes to seem important by doing Google searches or leafs through their home dictionary. I bet you like to break posts down into single line quotes so you can pore over them and pull little tiny bits out for your delectation.

No, but I do. The point was valid, and self-entitlement people like yourself who feel they were "cheated" by not being able to get credits from something that has subsequently been fixed are only doing everyone else a disservice by accusing the developer of "cheating" them out of it.

Apart from anything else, we're referring to a discount on ships that you don't get in any other system. You haven't "lost" anything... You've merely paid full price for it until the bug was fixed. Now you can get the discount again. You haven't lost anything, but now you've gained a discount again.

But alas... Some people feel entitled.
 
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Seriously? Closing a ticket without resolving the issue is a BAD customer experience.

It's happened to me a few times.

At first it really p'd me off but then I realised - they'd told me they were aware of the problem and it was being fixed in a later release. What more did I really need to know? It would have probably made me feel a bit better to be given some more information about who/when/how long etc. but it wouldn't have got the bug fixed any quicker.

I guess "Resolved" and "Closed" are referring to the bug report, not the actual bug. Once they've identified the bug and queued it to be fixed, they close all the tickets referring to that bug. It's not the way I'd do it but it isn't wrong per se.

added ship discount for founders world... one more reason not to grind money due to this unfair advantage of
founders... np with a special founders world, but giving clear advantages is just not so great... happy I dont
care about the money at all atm otherwise I would have to rage.

You realise that you can get a Founder's World permit too don't you? It's only a 10% discount anyway IIRC. Players who've been playing since Alpha already have a much greater advantage than that in the hundreds of hours of practice they've been able to do.
 
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I'm in on the App for the first time excellent.
Bug fixes - great, although the only bug I've come across is trivial (landing bay lights not being there adds to the challenge of docking). Not bothered by trading or mission stuff at the momen, having a blast bounty hunting, and comms don't matter as I rarely see anyone. When I'm ready to move on to trading etc. I'm sure any problems will have been resolved :)
 
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