But doesn't that make them carebears?
Elite: Harmless - Karma System aka "be the Tamagotchi" - FRESH SALT, MINED RIGHT HERE
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But doesn't that make them carebears?
Heavens forfend, no. They're mighty hunters, afraid of nothing! NOTHING! (except consequences)
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Blimey, if you take on any more salt than was contained in the OP then you're going to be in a serious health situation.
It will still be a ToS violation. Regardless how they label you in game, it'll still be a cheat. As long as they don't change the ToS that is.
Looking at it from the other end, it'll make a seal clubber look the same as a cheater, someone with bad karma.
Don't worry OP this will never happen. SDC will go full propaganda mode against it and will rope in their friends in other groups to bad mouth FD loudly to the gaming press.
FD will see coverage and their jelly-like backbone will disintegrate; allowing greifers to carry on regardless.
FD will see coverage and their jelly-like backbone will disintegrate; allowing greifers to carry on regardless.
All meaningless if the punishment for cheating is just bad karma.
Part of the same problem, because 'seal clubbing', and most of the other actions that can result in bad karma, aren't against the rules.
If, and it's a big if, Frontier get this sort of system out it is welcome and way, way overdue. Being a criminal in Elite Dangerous should be harder than being a law abiding citizen particularly in medium to high security systems. Currently that really isn't the case, so gankers, seal clubbers and exploiters, when/if this is implemented you have a choice, either 'git gud' at being the bad guy or you can always be good or go to solo or PG.
To those of you crying 'waaaah, it's not Elite Dangerous anymore it's Elite Carebear', you have been playing in consequence free easy mode safe space for too long, you keep telling us you want a challenge, you keep telling us you support C&P, (yet somehow every idea is a bad one), so suck it up. All that vitriolic 'advice' you've been slinging around, all that salt you've been mining, is hopefully going to be right back at you at some stage, are you good enough to be a bad guy or not?
To those of you crying 'waaaah, it's not Elite Dangerous anymore it's Elite Carebear', you have been playing in consequence free easy mode safe space for too long, you keep telling us you want a challenge, you keep telling us you support C&P, (yet somehow every idea is a bad one), so suck it up. All that vitriolic 'advice' you've been slinging around, all that salt you've been mining, is hopefully going to be right back at you at some stage, are you good enough to be a bad guy or not?
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It's a start. What do we have now? Nothing, right?
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Right now we have the spotty shadowbanning of people who habitually cheat when Frontier gets a mountain of indisputable evidence thrown at them...which is considerably more than just treating them the same as someone who has taken the 'dark side' path in-game.
So, no, the proposed change is not a start, it's a regression...and an insulting one at that.
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Actually the game would be more challenging for players with a sociopathic play style, like yours. You don't like challenges?Hey, thats my idea
I wouldn't be surprised if half of the most active players are bad boys and girls.
Now they cant apply the appropiate punishment because half.....HALF the players!!!!
I think its still a bit too early to say its a bad decision.
But most likely it will take out the fun and danger element once more.
Lemme see....we had danger neutron stars and white dwarfs....mmhh they no longer dangerous, same for black holes.
The only danger element will be the station defense system. lol
Sad, but it wouldnt the first great game flushed into the abyss because of too many ----censored----
I read nowhere the karma system will be a substitute for this^
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It's so funny to see Gankers and Griefers suddenly being afraid that their "risk-free ELITE : Toxic" might be in danger of seeing mild changes sometime soon(tm) xD
Let's face it : for whom has ELITE been "ELITE : Harmless" all this time? For Gankers and Griefers of course.
And despite the #REF : 0 imbalance that has been 100% in their favor ever since, zero consequences, zero punishment, zero risk, zero danger, 100% fun but 0% of the price (victim gets assigned that "0% fun part")... they're already giving off crocodile tears
If anything, it makes for funny reads in the Forum.
PS.
I fully agree that Gankers Inc. Groups will lobby against any single meaningful change to ELITE : Toxic.
However, I don't even think they have to. Frontier loves Griefers and Gankers more than anything else. Always has. Just look at the current (non-existing) C&P System we have... It doesn't even affect Criminals. It's 100% fake.
Thus, I'm fairly sure they'll come up with something that on 1st sight looks potent - but due to *cough* "minor implementation issues" will be easily worked around and fully evaded by anyone with a little experience in the field of criminal actions.
They won't let go of their beloved "Triple ELITE Ranked" and most-favored Groups and Player archetype in the Game. No way.
I'll reconsider my Opinion when I see
- offensive hardcore cheaters/exploiters/hackers perma-banned or at least their Saves Cleared (i.e. Farseer Gankers)
- notorious criminal Players locked into Prison Colonies serving their sentence if they get caught
- notorious criminal Players losing System Permits and Naval Ranks, eventually locking away their Rank-tied Ships until they've made up for the criminal acts and regained the privilege of flying them again by hard work
You know... Stuff that makes sense. Want to be the "Most Wanted in the Galaxy"? Fine, be my guest. But don't complain if you actually become "Most Wanted in the Galaxy" and face the consequences of that "achievement".
Me, personally... I don't see that ever becoming a reality. Simply because it would all make sense, put everything in its rightful place - and it'd actually work, while still allowing for all Playstyles. Nope, we can't have that. Not in ELITE.
Thus, I don't see any reasons for... let's call it "FFA PvP - anywhere/anytime" Players to fear anything.
Let's face it : for whom has ELITE been "ELITE : Harmless" all this time? For Gankers and Griefers of course.
And despite the #REF : 0 imbalance that has been 100% in their favor ever since, zero consequences, zero punishment, zero risk, zero danger, 100% fun but 0% of the price (victim gets assigned that "0% fun part")... they're already giving off crocodile tears
If anything, it makes for funny reads in the Forum.
PS.
I fully agree that Gankers Inc. Groups will lobby against any single meaningful change to ELITE : Toxic.
However, I don't even think they have to. Frontier loves Griefers and Gankers more than anything else. Always has. Just look at the current (non-existing) C&P System we have... It doesn't even affect Criminals. It's 100% fake.
Thus, I'm fairly sure they'll come up with something that on 1st sight looks potent - but due to *cough* "minor implementation issues" will be easily worked around and fully evaded by anyone with a little experience in the field of criminal actions.
They won't let go of their beloved "Triple ELITE Ranked" and most-favored Groups and Player archetype in the Game. No way.
I'll reconsider my Opinion when I see
- offensive hardcore cheaters/exploiters/hackers perma-banned or at least their Saves Cleared (i.e. Farseer Gankers)
- notorious criminal Players locked into Prison Colonies serving their sentence if they get caught
- notorious criminal Players losing System Permits and Naval Ranks, eventually locking away their Rank-tied Ships until they've made up for the criminal acts and regained the privilege of flying them again by hard work
You know... Stuff that makes sense. Want to be the "Most Wanted in the Galaxy"? Fine, be my guest. But don't complain if you actually become "Most Wanted in the Galaxy" and face the consequences of that "achievement".
Me, personally... I don't see that ever becoming a reality. Simply because it would all make sense, put everything in its rightful place - and it'd actually work, while still allowing for all Playstyles. Nope, we can't have that. Not in ELITE.
Thus, I don't see any reasons for... let's call it "FFA PvP - anywhere/anytime" Players to fear anything.
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You're assuming it wouldn't take into account the fact that you are not repeatedly trying to avoid the rebuy screen by disconnecting from combat situations when you are about to lose. It may not even bother to monitor your karma against NPC's.
Either way, if you are getting regular disconnects in Combat Zones fighting NPC's, then it's in your best interests to raise a support ticket with Frontier so the issue can be investigated. You'd be doing yourself and the game a favour by reporting something that could potentially be fixed.
If it turns out to be a problem your end, then it'll be good to get it fixed. If it turns out to be a problem with your ISP, wouldn't you like to know that so you can look at getting another?
Elite*needs* a C&P system, and worrying that it might misinterpret certain edge cases like yours is not a good enough reason for them to not try and implement one.
It's easy to criticise, but not so easy to come up with an actual solution, is it?
Sandro's statements in the reddit thread strongly imply that they'd be heavily relying on the karma system to handle this stuff.
Even having cheats influence karma signals to me that Frontier is going to wash their hands of most actual enforcement and let some automated system just lump these types in with in-game criminals.
I have plenty of actual solutions. They just aren't popular.
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easily sorted by keeping bad karma from combat logging hidden from everyone but fd themselves
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That is the key statement I feel that supports my statements the most.