Elite on Console is dead - so why are FDev delaying Odyssey improvements for it?
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You stated that correctly. MOST developers.
I reckon they hit a dead end, they want a quick cash grab before abandoning it for good, but EDO is a low hanging fruit, too good to pass up for the old gen hardware owners.
stormyuk
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You must sit very far away from that screen is all I can think.
Elite at 1080p on a 60" 4K screen.
Ouch....
In all seriousness of course it's going to be subjective. But, as I said in my previous post no other game I play is as low resolution as Elite Dangerous on the PS5.
It's not the PS5 being the limiting factor.
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Of course not by all means, just stating facts
"While games generally look and play great on both systems, PS4 has the edge in terms of resolution. ... If getting the best possible crispness for most games is a priority, PS4 comes out on top."
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However I feel this argues heavily that fdev favors microsoft
I could have used an example of a game for developer that no-one had heard of, but I thought I'd go with a game known for its depth and complexity.What's the point of comparing ED to RDR2?
Especially when RDR2 development costs were 3-4 times more *() than what ED was able to put into FD accounts in the 6-7 years since launch, cosmetics included.
Better compare the hardware of PS4 Pro and the one for XB One X - and you'll see the later have 50% more ram and 50% more processing power and 50% more bandwidth. than the former.
They had to work with whatever PS and XB was able to offer. Hence 4k on XB One X and 1080p on PS4 Pro.
*(development plus marketing costs were apparently upto 500+ millions USD)
Let's try the other end if the scale. Rocket League had far less development costs than ED and that runs 4k on the PS4 pro. You could compare the PS4 pro to an Alienware X17 gaming laptop if you wanted to. It's doesn't change the fact that there's a whole heap of games (and very graphically demanding ones, at that) that run at 4k on the PS4 pro.
Its probably intentional for spite. I'm convinced they do it on purpose.. 65in here, I sit mabye 6 feet away. Probably a lot healthier than being so close to a monitor of smaller TV for extended periods of timeYou must sit very far away from that screen is all I can think.
Elite at 1080p on a 60" 4K screen.
Ouch....
I've always assumed too close for too long turns people in to this
I suspect a few are already affected
stormyuk
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Not really to be honest. The Xbox One X is on paper and in practice is more powerful than my old PS4 Pro. This is a fact and one I wouldn't argue.
Elite Dangerous is first and foremost a PC game. It doesn't use any modern image reconstruction techniques to boost resolution, and let's be honest even it's anti aliasing isn't the greatest.
So due to the fact it just outputs raw resolution running a native 2160p output on PS4 Pro is certainly asking too much based on the PS4 Pro GPU and CPU.
Running a native 2160p on the PS5 when the PS5 is factually and demonstrable more powerful than the Xbox One X is down to FDev enabling some kind of native support which they unfortunately apparently have no plans to do.
Not interested in console wars personally. That's for kids.
I wouldn't suggest it's a console war. I specifically said it's fdev. You guys keep trying to say console war. That's not my motivation. I'm saying that base ps4 is better than base xbox is a fact on paper and, to me, it suggests it should be capable to do anything xbox does except fdev makes that a lie, from where I'm standing, is how I see it. It's exceptionally frustrating that it seems to be implied I'm saying something that I'm not. I don't appreciate it.
I understand the 1x is slightly better than pro but as both can do 4k, both should. In my own subjective opinion , of course
I understand the 1x is slightly better than pro but as both can do 4k, both should. In my own subjective opinion , of course
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stormyuk
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But the base Xbox One runs the game in 1080p just like the PS4. No favouritism there.
It's only the Xbox One X and Series X (in BC) which run at 2160p.
FDev were not favouring MS at the time of the Xbox One X update. The PS4 Pro won't run the game at 2160p.
FDev are being equally unsupportive of both the Xbox Series X and PS5 by not creating a native version.
I agree with this. I feel there's enough other evidence to support my other claim in any cobra 4 thread, which we seem to be way overdue for by now
Here we go again. You guys keep saying I'm making it about that is really starting to upset me. I'm capable of saying what I mean to say. If you misinterpreted it, that's not my doing. It seems you want me to have said this because even though I've repeatedly stated this is not my intention, you continue to make that implication. I do not appreciate it. I will thank you to block me if this will continue to be an issue. Otherwise, carry on and keep your words out of my mouth
Seems it would actually be a case of having to optimise it though. The XBox One X may be able to run it, but the question is whether this is down to work being put in to make sure this happened, or did it just get ported over and it was more 'hey, it works'? If the demands were higher and the One X couldn't run it, there would be no more resource added to get it running than was spent on the PS4 pro.
Porting over to PS just seems to come with more round holes to put the square pegs into and FDev only seem to have a hammer. I mean look what happens when they try to change things on PC most of the time!
I suspect you're correct, you and several others have quoted similar circumstances.
But, for example, you mentioned diablo 3 above, isn't that a separate game to the previous diablo 1 and 2? I could play diablo 3 without owning the previous versions? With EDO I couldn't do that and I would have to have EDH to play?
Diablo 3 was released on ps3 before they dropped ps3 in favor of ps4.
Ah, thank you. That makes sense now.
Thing is, I don't really understand why you'd have an issue with making DLC compatible only with a later gen of console. So long as it does what you say it does, what's the issue?
I would imagine the best alternative would be not to release the DLC at all if you absolutely had to release on the old gen and you knew there would be significant playability issues.
I would imagine the best alternative would be not to release the DLC at all if you absolutely had to release on the old gen and you knew there would be significant playability issues.
Not supporting any console wars here, but indeed i'd love a native version for XBX and PS5 too...
And i'm pretty sure we will get it no later than 2022 (*), of course assuming EDO will not end up as a complete flop and all ED development will freeze.
* (This year seems wasted with EDO fixing and optimizing for XB1/PS4 and i'm really wondering if they can meet the Autumn launch schedule - and when i say Autumn i dont mean the Astronomical Autumn that ends on December 22nd)
Nope...it looks good...no ouch or pain at all.You must sit very far away from that screen is all I can think.
Elite at 1080p on a 60" 4K screen.
Ouch....
In all seriousness of course it's going to be subjective. But, as I said in my previous post no other game I play is as low resolution as Elite Dangerous on the PS5.
It's not the PS5 being the limiting factor.
stormyuk
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We'll have to agree to disagree on what is 'good' then.
I am only playing on a 49" 4K TV. A fairly decent Sony Bravia FALD panel.
Ratchet and Clank looks stunning, Miles Morales, Spider-Man, Demon's Souls, AC: Valhalla and even Astrobot look excellent.
PS4 Pro non-1080p titles look 'good'.
Elite looks 'poor' in comparison, in my opinion. A blurry shimmering presentation compared to 'every' other game I play. This is why it needs a native version imo.