I doubt a subscription would work. The flop of MMOs like Star Wars Galaxies saw that model disappear. It's been mostly replaced by game passes that are optional but give you timed-exclusive cosmetics and extra rewards according to what the game can do, in Elite terms, it would be like earning double Arx up to the weekly limit or something. This is what I would go for as it would promote a steady stream of cosmetics for the game, especially for things like Fleet Carriers and some underserved ships. As much as I have bought Arx, and I haven't bought a terribly significant amount, but not negligible either, I don't want to be forced to pay $5-15 a month to have access to the game, which for GeForce Now based console players would be on top of that which they already have to pay, even though I would imagine most console players who have transfered their CMDR are likely playing on their own PC, but still..
Engineering and Pre-Built Ships
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I doubt a subscription would work. The flop of MMOs like Star Wars Galaxies saw that model disappear. It's been mostly replaced by game passes that are optional but give you timed-exclusive cosmetics and extra rewards according to what the game can do, in Elite terms, it would be like earning double Arx up to the weekly limit or something. This is what I would go for as it would promote a steady stream of cosmetics for the game, especially for things like Fleet Carriers and some underserved ships. As much as I have bought Arx, and I haven't bought a terribly significant amount, but not negligible either, I don't want to be forced to pay $5-15 a month to have access to the game, which for GeForce Now based console players would be on top of that which they already have to pay, even though I would imagine most console players who have transfered their CMDR are likely playing on their own PC, but still..
Some even for a third time.
Honestly if I were to purchase one of these ships I would not want this. Party of the fun of the game is swapping modules around to tune your ships and I wouldn't want modules that were locked to a particular ship.
It would make more sense to me to make this a "redeem once" sort of deal to obtain a hull and modules with zero credit values (similar to some cg rewards we've seen in the past) and allow commanders freedom to move modules as they wished.
But there is a case to be made for collecting materials in space to be more reflexive and spontaneous IMO. Personally, while I think collector limpet controllers are fine in principal and suit certain scenarios just fine, I would be happy if every ship came with a inbuilt collector limpet controller that activated when the cargo scoop is opened and a perma-use limpet popped out and grabbed a material, or multiple, within a very short distance radius and shot straight back in again once everything in its range was collected, collecting one mat should literally take a second and you could be flying full 'cargo scoop lowered' speed. This limpet wouldn't be treated as cargo and if it was destroyed in combat another could be synthesized.
It should be fluid enough that in theory you could even make it a sport to catch an object and eject it into a goal of some kind, could even give use to the "eject all" button lol.
As a matter of fairness, the one very good case for this I just thought of is if you have a friend who thinks the game looks cool but would never play enough to do all the engineering required to participate but would be a laugh to have alongside you when doing some Titan runs. You can gift them the Arx to get the Chieftan and away you all go.
Works both way, I think I'd have a harder time convincing people to play Elite with the caveat that it has these microtransactions. I could play it down and say they're not very impactful etc, but if that changes later I feel like I'd be responsible for lying to shill for Elite.
There's ways to let players have convenience without microtransactions like letting friends fly your ships and whatever cool stuff people expected from odyssey pre-launch.
I think if you're upfront and honest it's not going to be a dealbreaker, though of course it would entirely depend on the player. And I'm specifically speaking of someone who you could have up and running attacking Titan's immediately for funsies with no other real expectations that they're going to be circumnavigating the galaxy or achieving triple Elite V, but maybe enough of a taste to want to see what else is on offer in the game..
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If fdev wants to milk me for Arx, make a grappling hook module
“You go to the game store and buy a replacement ship for Arx.”I look forward to the "I took a module off my ship but now I changed my mind - how do I get it back?" posts
Yea,like there gonna start listening to the player base now ??? If they did console would look a whole lot different !
I know what you mean and it makes sense *edit: (meaning what aRJay is saying makes sense), Just a difference of opinion and everyone is in a different circumstance. I look at it along the lines of any company with a live service game is going to need continuing revenue which they should have thought off from the start but idk if it existed 10 years ago. Pay2win ships are just the start, if it works there will be many more things you can only buy with $usd - basically destroying the game where we all stop playing. The only alternative I know about is star citizen which I won't go for because of the way their "game" is structured for profit but many people are already using it so dropping ED is easyish for them.
So with the assumption that Fdev doesn't have a choice they need revenue. They either
1. Figure out a method to get it
OR
2. Shut down ED and maybe go bankrupt (their other releases haven't done well).
So lets assume their going to do something regardless of what people think or want or backlash. If it works they keep ED going, if not then they're at option 2 regardless. With that being the situation I would prefer a subscription model instead of selling for real money (like SC).
- Fdev is definitley looking at all the other games who monetize digital assets and the success they have and figure they could do alot of things with that kind of money. for example
1. Star Citizen - Egregious because the prices for digital goods AND because they promised a game on kickstarter and have yet to deliver even with $500m+ (and their server wipes seem to always come at times that promote turnover)
2. DCS
- the planes seem a bit expensive to me but I don't know the sim well enough to comment on the value. I don't hear many people complaining
3. Now look at iRacing. I've been using it for years. They charge a subscription ($5/mo) and a set $11/car or track regardless of what it car or track it is They improve that sim constantly with meaningful changes.
**With that said I wouldn't pay a subscription for each version. Give everyone full access to oddessy and only one subscription fee per account regardless of how many different commanders someone wants to make.
End of the day it's happening no matter what we want, I would prefer a situation closer to iracing without having to buy ships on top opposed to Star Citizen.
Yeah, with proper experience and skill anything is possible. Remember Sister Kate taking on 8 Hydras at a time in a Hauler, with hands tied with her bikini strap, while in a swimming pool, but I was was mostly referring to noobs coming in with this ship thinking they are going to win the war lol.
Paul, does this apply to the purchasable Python MKII as well, since I'm assuming it is sort of pre-built in a way too? This is getting confusing. Thx.
Let us know if you're able to select the Starter system (Dromi).Oooo... I may have to do a restart with a junior account!
Thanks
It was bugged then fixed then bugged again. Sigh..
If you selk them to replace them with paid modules can you get them back or are they gone for good?
The main thing on this Chieftan is to stay away from the Titan. With his heat at 30, all cannons and all scouts nearby will immediately switch to you.
UPD. I don't know all the mechanics of the game, maybe a ship painted green scares away the Thargoids ...
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In general, this mechanism has long been worked out, I have several ships after the CG where the cost of insurance is 0, and all the modules that I removed it have the inscription rented and lying in storage.
UPD. But those ships were very poorly made and basically only the hull is left of them ....
These finished builds usually don't have secondary effects, maybe this question has already been answered here ?
And if I just add a secondary effect or re-engineer the module (if possible) the price remains 0 ?
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There is rather delicious eat the rich irony to that isn't there.
And who said ED isn't punk rock!
A hard No!
Even-though it is already responded to pages ago, I'm strong on few aspects of EDO but a subs model is the exception so I am taking the opportunity to reply also to ensure my nail is driven into the coffin of this silly suggestion.
Armaant27, the naïvety of your TLDR part of the post is fair enough ... it's seems to be coming from a good place. However the long form notes you continued with ..... well ..... that was your undoing.
Sub model ..... a hard No!
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Paul said that if you remove the modules from the pre-built ship, you have to sell them for 0cr. You can't store them.
We don't know yet if the rebuy feature works on these modules, but even if it does, there's a very limited window for that.