Engineering is one of the worst elements of any game I've ever played
I really enjoy the engineers but then again I don't see Elite as a competitive game and I enjoy gathering stuff and tinkering with my fleet constantly.
Tbh its a race you've decided to compete in and no one forced you.
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I enjoy the engineering even if I ignore most competitive aspects of it.
You can take a fairly generic ship such as the AspX and either turn it into a super-lightweight explorer than can jump 60Ly or you can turn the same ship into a mini-tank which can dust Corvettes.
That range of opportunities, and everything in between, is something I find very enjoyable to tinker with.
What I don't find interesting or enjoyable is that this latest update seems to have turned the entire thing into a giant bloody "coin-push" game, where you just pump in ever larger amounts of mat's before you finally get your result out the other end.
You can take a fairly generic ship such as the AspX and either turn it into a super-lightweight explorer than can jump 60Ly or you can turn the same ship into a mini-tank which can dust Corvettes.
That range of opportunities, and everything in between, is something I find very enjoyable to tinker with.
What I don't find interesting or enjoyable is that this latest update seems to have turned the entire thing into a giant bloody "coin-push" game, where you just pump in ever larger amounts of mat's before you finally get your result out the other end.
Just like your opinion of the system doesn't mean its a bad one
Personally my one and only combat experience in this game was making a Canadian angry during the closed beta phase of the game so I cannot speak to how hard or easy it is to pew pew with engineered modules or not but again its your choice to try and keep up with the Duvals and if the game is making your "angry" then you have a simple solution.
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Who forced all of the other PvPers?
Well, not really. Same could be said about any video game. If it's making you angry then it's time to hit the off button and do something else, it's only a video game.
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The answer is nobody. They chose to participate.
The only part of the game where engineering is a must-have is freeform PvP, where there is a compelling desire to have the best gear to match the hypothetical enemy Cmdr, and the 3.0 changes mean it should be much less of a hassle to get that 'top-tier' gear.
I can understand how a player can become fixated on the progression ladder, but outside of freeform PvP there is no rush. Rather than worrying that your gear isn't the best instead set a minimum standard you want to achieve and consider instead what you want that ship to be able to do
I can understand how a player can become fixated on the progression ladder, but outside of freeform PvP there is no rush. Rather than worrying that your gear isn't the best instead set a minimum standard you want to achieve and consider instead what you want that ship to be able to do
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I don't know what to tell you. Go gather the mats you need or don't. It's your choice.
I just finished criticizing Frontier to a friend in a private message for two equally stupid things they've added/done in 3.0 but I dont feel the need to start a thread about them when others already have.
You never started the thread for a constructive discussion, you started it to whine because you don't like engineers.
I don't particularly like Powerplay but im old enough and ugly enough to understand its a core part of the game that isn't going to disappear simply because I don't like it.
The only part of the game where engineering is a must-have is freeform PvP, where there is a compelling desire to have the best gear to match the hypothetical enemy Cmdr, and the 3.0 changes mean it should be much less of a hassle to get that 'top-tier' gear.
I can understand how a player can become fixated on the progression ladder, but outside of freeform PvP there is no rush. Rather than worrying that your gear isn't the best instead set a minimum standard you want to achieve and consider instead what you want that ship to be able to do
Oh yeah? Tell that to the NPC bulletsponges that make every vanilla gun feel like peashooters.
It's a bad system because, there's really nothing to do but buy and engineer ships, and most of the game play mechanics exist solely to support that activity (srv, engineers, data points, signal sources, mat traders, mission rewards). Take out engineers and there's literally barely anything to do or any reason to do it.
You should try any part of EVE. 10 minutes and you'll be begging to Engineer.
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You're very welcome!
What's the difference between grinding cash to buy bigger/better ships and grinding resources to engineer better mods/weapons?
The game needs progression to keep general interest. Do you expect them to just hand you everything on day 1 and say, "go have fun in pvp"?
There are other games for that, if all you're looking for is an even playing field experience to 1v1 people. ED has an arena, EVE Online has Valkyrie, or you can wait for a thousand years like the rest of us for Star Citizen.
Sounds like this isn't the game for you if you don't enjoy working on progression to improve your gear/stats.
The game needs progression to keep general interest. Do you expect them to just hand you everything on day 1 and say, "go have fun in pvp"?
There are other games for that, if all you're looking for is an even playing field experience to 1v1 people. ED has an arena, EVE Online has Valkyrie, or you can wait for a thousand years like the rest of us for Star Citizen.
Sounds like this isn't the game for you if you don't enjoy working on progression to improve your gear/stats.
Engineering adds the difficulty slider so many want when up against NPCs. If your particular strength is combat you can skip the progression & just go achieve your goal in a vanilla ship. If your teenage twitch reflexes have long since past but you have time on your side you can buff the biowaste out of your stuff & be a god to NPCs.
I'm fine with this. I'm conscious that if I go out in a vanilla ship & get torn apart I can do some work to get to a point where the game is challenging instead of punishing or a walk in the park.
