Expansions: BGS Guide Best Current Thinking
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See this thread and subsequent discussion.
Inara's blue dots is a cool addition, but sometimes you need to see the list of all systems lying within the expansion cube; not only those that have "free" space.
EDSM has a cube API - e.g. https://www.edsm.net/api-v1/cube-systems?systemName=Ravenhold&size=40 - but being EDSM it also returns uninhabited systems.
In the last days my PMF has made an expansion by invading a new system.
At the moment of ending the expansion, there was several systems with no native MF with low influence.
In fact, there was a system at 11 ly with a non native MF with 3,1% (no states), and another system at 13 ly with 2.3% in retreat state.
We are invading the second one, what was a surprise for us.
How much influence can have the non native MF to be suitable for invasion?
Is distance a factor in the invasion destination?
At the moment of ending the expansion, there was several systems with no native MF with low influence.
In fact, there was a system at 11 ly with a non native MF with 3,1% (no states), and another system at 13 ly with 2.3% in retreat state.
We are invading the second one, what was a surprise for us.
How much influence can have the non native MF to be suitable for invasion?
Is distance a factor in the invasion destination?
I think (and I could be wrong) that it goes for the lowest Inf non-native faction within the 20LY cube, rather than the closest below a certain value.
EDIT - I'm curious if they could retreat out before the war ends. Let us know how it works out.
Yes, this seems to be the case now.
The equalisation of influence for the war - since the entering faction would have been nominally at 7-8% - will put the war at least at 4%, comfortably outside the retreat zone. And then of course the war will decide whether they leave or not.
One exception: if they were also in Blight or Infrastructure Failure, that drains 1% a day even with a conflict active (probably a bug, but you could with exactly the right line-up get someone retreating mid-war that way)
First day with war as pending, both MF were at 5,5%.
With 5,5% it is supposed that the retreat is automatically failed.
But at the second day (fist active war day) the MF in retreat has gone to 3,6%. This MF is not in Blight or Infrastructure failure.
That reminds me - I did see this one
Phoenix (Eol Prou IW-W e1-1601) - History
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I put this down to being release-day oddities, but looking at some of my other data, it may be that Retreat now has a 2% daily influence penalty as well. If your retreating faction still has days left to run on that state it will be interesting to see what happens next!
I suppose that would do something to offset the rash of influence-raising 'Retreat' missions that are generated in and around the system.
So our favourite expansion system seems to have run out of targets. We are in all close systems. The closest one we don't own is 40ly away.
Just failed to expand, and have the next pending. Does the naughty list still exist, and after this 2nd failure will we start to expand from one of our other 75+ systems ?
Just failed to expand, and have the next pending. Does the naughty list still exist, and after this 2nd failure will we start to expand from one of our other 75+ systems ?
Nope. Neither can it be cut short.
You have to ride it out.
Theoretically, I think the following would cancel it if the expansion wasn't from the faction's home system.
1) Expansion goes pending for A, from a system with 7 factions
2) Another faction B invades that system, and all other non-native factions in the system are in conflict already, so it attacks the expanding system controller
3) The invasion conflict resolves before the controller's expansion does, so the controller is forced out of the system before it completes.
In practice, since you need:
- to start B's expansion about a week before A's expansion even goes pending
- to have B unable to prefer invasion of any other nearby system (already present, controllers of those systems on even higher influence than A, other non-native factions already in conflicts, etc.)
- to then quickly win the invasion conflict (4-0 ideally, unless B's expansion is very well timed)
...it's not likely to happen in practice, and anyone that organised can probably just keep A below 75% in the first place.
(And as A gets kicked out of system control and presence, even if you could plan it in advance you certainly wouldn't want to use this method to stop your own expansions, except to show off how good you were at setting up implausible BGS sequences)
1) Expansion goes pending for A, from a system with 7 factions
2) Another faction B invades that system, and all other non-native factions in the system are in conflict already, so it attacks the expanding system controller
3) The invasion conflict resolves before the controller's expansion does, so the controller is forced out of the system before it completes.
In practice, since you need:
- to start B's expansion about a week before A's expansion even goes pending
- to have B unable to prefer invasion of any other nearby system (already present, controllers of those systems on even higher influence than A, other non-native factions already in conflicts, etc.)
- to then quickly win the invasion conflict (4-0 ideally, unless B's expansion is very well timed)
...it's not likely to happen in practice, and anyone that organised can probably just keep A below 75% in the first place.
(And as A gets kicked out of system control and presence, even if you could plan it in advance you certainly wouldn't want to use this method to stop your own expansions, except to show off how good you were at setting up implausible BGS sequences)
Nope
I checked home sector of my faction after expansion and bulletin info tells that - Faction X Company expanded from the X System (sytem I'm currently in and their home sector). And that is it. I also couldn't find their presence in nearest sectors. Normally expansion destination is stated, but not in this case. Does it mean that was a long range attempt without actual expanion?
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