Exploration value formulae
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On first glance they might have even increased the payout for ELWs even a bit farther. Not sure about this yet.
In any case, could you provide data? If so, then I'm sure there will be someone who works out the new equations (probably just a matter of tweaking constants), even I would. However, I don't feel like collecting all of the needed data myself in this new system.
In any case, could you provide data? If so, then I'm sure there will be someone who works out the new equations (probably just a matter of tweaking constants), even I would. However, I don't feel like collecting all of the needed data myself in this new system.
It's going to be kind of tricky to get figures, and may need deeper coordination.
e.g.
Scan a planet. Sell the data, see how much you get.
Go back and map that planet, see how much you get. - Also needs to take into account efficiency bonus.
There are also bonuses for completely scanning a system.
Is there a bonus for completely mapping all bodies which are mappable?
Still waiting on a response from FDEV to my query asking them to just provide us with how the UC reward system is calculated. Will prod them in a few days time after they put all their current fires out
e.g.
Scan a planet. Sell the data, see how much you get.
Go back and map that planet, see how much you get. - Also needs to take into account efficiency bonus.
There are also bonuses for completely scanning a system.
Is there a bonus for completely mapping all bodies which are mappable?
Still waiting on a response from FDEV to my query asking them to just provide us with how the UC reward system is calculated. Will prod them in a few days time after they put all their current fires out
I did a map of an earthlike and a TWW last night as a test - got first mapped and efficiency bonus - each of them paid out over 2.6MCr - never thought to make an actual note of what the carto screen showed, sorry.
Based on my earlier scans in the beta, the efficiency bonus is +25% payout, the full system scan bonus is 10,000 Cr per bodies scanned (so if it's a two-body system, you don't get much) and there's no bonus for full mapping.It's going to be kind of tricky to get figures, and may need deeper coordination.
e.g.
Scan a planet. Sell the data, see how much you get.
Go back and map that planet, see how much you get. - Also needs to take into account efficiency bonus.
There are also bonuses for completely scanning a system.
Is there a bonus for completely mapping all bodies which are mappable?
Still waiting on a response from FDEV to my query asking them to just provide us with how the UC reward system is calculated. Will prod them in a few days time after they put all their current fires out
Although the main star payout values seem to be much higher than others', so it might be that full system values get rolled into those too? Not sure what's up with that.
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Scratch that about ELW payouts possibly changing, I just misread two.
In case anyone's interested, here are a few payouts. All were already discovered, all except one were first mapped, mapped ones with efficiency bonuses.
Metztli 4: HMCPTC: 2,188,659 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 447,547 Cr)
Metztli 5: HMCP, already discovered, didn't map, 323,674 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 40,529 Cr)
Metztli 6: ELW: 5,780,912 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 723,872 Cr)
Metztli 7 a: Icy, with biological signals: 4,218 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 810 Cr)
Eol Prou TD-S d4-210 4: ELW: 5,093,653 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 637,814 Cr)
Eol Prou TD-S d4-585 6: ELW: 5,211,206 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 652,535 Cr)
Dryaea Flee PP-E c25-828 3: ELW, ringed: 5,625,629 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 704,427 Cr)
In case anyone's interested, here are a few payouts. All were already discovered, all except one were first mapped, mapped ones with efficiency bonuses.
Metztli 4: HMCPTC: 2,188,659 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 447,547 Cr)
Metztli 5: HMCP, already discovered, didn't map, 323,674 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 40,529 Cr)
Metztli 6: ELW: 5,780,912 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 723,872 Cr)
Metztli 7 a: Icy, with biological signals: 4,218 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 810 Cr)
Eol Prou TD-S d4-210 4: ELW: 5,093,653 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 637,814 Cr)
Eol Prou TD-S d4-585 6: ELW: 5,211,206 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 652,535 Cr)
Dryaea Flee PP-E c25-828 3: ELW, ringed: 5,625,629 Cr (old EDSM estimate: 704,427 Cr)
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If possible (I know it's going to be more work) I'd like to try seperate gathering FSS scans.
Lets ignore first bonuses for now but what we need is.
1. Honk only
2. FSS scan of individual bodies to confirm the actual surface scan stuff hasn't changed
3. Map body (since we know the efficiency bonus is up to 25% either get full bonus or get no bonus).
Hopefully the FSS stuff hasn't changed from the old surface scanning which means we can leave those equations (with the issues we already know about). For the detailed mapping we're going to have to see whether or not finding POIs adds to it. Once we have an equation for that I can add that into my road to riches router and make it optional.
Sorry, but I can't be bothered to do all the required work with these new mechanics. I do have a bunch of such data from the beta, but well, it's from the beta, so it might or might not be changed in live.
I can confirm that earlier, the payout from just the FSS scan did change (compared to ADS+DSS scan of old), and if you look at the live data I posted, you'll notice that it's still changed. I only did an FSS scan on Metztli 5 (HMCP), had no discovery bonus, and it's still 323,674 Cr, as opposed to the old estimate of 40,529 Cr.
Since they're quicker than before, FSS scans are generally worth notably less, but it looks like even those have been buffed.
Hm, hang on... In the beta, Col 285 Sector FM-V d2-21 1 (HMCP) was 25,308 Cr, not mapped. The old estimate was 37,962 Cr. Then yeah, I suppose things have been changed since beta. Neither are terraforming candidates. I can check this with another system today though - assuming the servers will work when I can play, heh.
I can confirm that earlier, the payout from just the FSS scan did change (compared to ADS+DSS scan of old), and if you look at the live data I posted, you'll notice that it's still changed. I only did an FSS scan on Metztli 5 (HMCP), had no discovery bonus, and it's still 323,674 Cr, as opposed to the old estimate of 40,529 Cr.
Since they're quicker than before, FSS scans are generally worth notably less, but it looks like even those have been buffed.
Hm, hang on... In the beta, Col 285 Sector FM-V d2-21 1 (HMCP) was 25,308 Cr, not mapped. The old estimate was 37,962 Cr. Then yeah, I suppose things have been changed since beta. Neither are terraforming candidates. I can check this with another system today though - assuming the servers will work when I can play, heh.
Hoo boy. Apparently, there are two bugs that would make collecting data harder.
So I returned and sold my data. It seems that at random(?) times, I still get the first discovery bonus for stuff I haven't first discovered, but first mapped. Although at least this let me get some first mapping bonus amounts only, but one has to pay attention to what the sale screens say to note the difference.
Second, I've heard that the displayed efficiency target is now wrong, and the actual target is still the same as in the beta. While that's still easy enough to hit, this can mix up things as well. If anyone collects data, I'd recommend not getting the bonus.
Finally, it looks like things have changed since the beta, so there's no need for me to post the earlier data that I had. Oh well. Will compile the handful of system data I now have and post it some time later, but wanted to get these warnings out before.
So I returned and sold my data. It seems that at random(?) times, I still get the first discovery bonus for stuff I haven't first discovered, but first mapped. Although at least this let me get some first mapping bonus amounts only, but one has to pay attention to what the sale screens say to note the difference.
Second, I've heard that the displayed efficiency target is now wrong, and the actual target is still the same as in the beta. While that's still easy enough to hit, this can mix up things as well. If anyone collects data, I'd recommend not getting the bonus.
Finally, it looks like things have changed since the beta, so there's no need for me to post the earlier data that I had. Oh well. Will compile the handful of system data I now have and post it some time later, but wanted to get these warnings out before.
Right, entered some new data then. Rather than format them for the forums, just visit here.
I'd recommend someone else visit the four systems near the bubble, they are all quite close to each other, and at least you'll know you won't be getting the first mapped bonus. Should still be easy enough to find places where you will.
I'd recommend someone else visit the four systems near the bubble, they are all quite close to each other, and at least you'll know you won't be getting the first mapped bonus. Should still be easy enough to find places where you will.
Agreed.
This reminds me of the very first days of the game, when I was making trips out of the Bubble, scanning single examples per system of a particular object type and then carefully checking through the system payout values - I don't think we had per-body data then - to determine the cash values per body. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose...
Okay, so, I stopped by the Jellyfish nebula base and sold my stuff. Looks like there still are some bugs. I got some first discovery bonuses on bodies I shouldn't have (tags are still intact, thankfully), and for two ELWs that I was the first not just to map, but also to discover, I only received 3.2M Cr. Meanwhile, for an ELW I didn't discover but still got the first discovery bonus for, it's 5.4M.
Maybe they flipped a negative sign somewhere, and the first discovery bonus is actually a malus?
Maybe they flipped a negative sign somewhere, and the first discovery bonus is actually a malus?
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I got about a thousand (give or take 100) ELWs in the zunou hunting grounds, also 30 there in the bag, never tagged, shouldn't take me but a week or so to mapp 'em all. I'll shoot ya the numbers for the maths if ya want?
Would be appreciated. I have rough numbers but I’m trying to finese the formula and more data is good. Only if it’s not a huge effort though
Would be appreciated. I have rough numbers but I’m trying to finese the formula and more data is good. Only if it’s not a huge effort though
Not a problem at all my friend, was headed out to do it anyway. I hate the blue blobs and squiggly lines...but I love the surface probing part..I wanna see how many of my total I can get first mapped on..should keep me busy for a bit.