Exploration - When worlds colide

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
If Stellar Forge is done right, the planets motion should at least be controlled by Kepler's law of planetary motions, which means that the speed is variant because of it's elliptical trajectory. But if stellar forge is done amazingly good, then the planets should have gravitational force affecting each other, but I doubt that's done.

This situation would really be helped with an orrery. We should demand it for S3Q4 update.
 

Major Klutz

Major Klutz
Unfortunately the moons gravity is not considered. They only orbit the gas giant and ignore all other bodies.

Their elliptical eccentricities are one factor that causes their apparent approach speed to vary since the eccentricities don't align, one moon could be slowing down in it's orbit while the other is speeding up.
And one could be moving further away from the planet while the other is approaching closer.
Another factor is their orbital inclination being slightly different. One could be moving "upward" in relation to the other making the overlap smaller or larger.
There are a lot of variables.
 

CMDR ANCALAGON

C
Logged off sitting in my SRV on 2C. Hopefully I'll make it back in time to dive into a canyon - at this rate, it looks like I'll be stuck here until 13:00 (18:00 IGT). I can be home by 18:45 IGT, but then I have to step out to pick up my daughter from school from 19:45 to 20:30.

Well, all I can do is hope!


I was wanting to also try to see if I could get my monthership on one planet and my SLF on another...

What are those coordinates on 2C?
 

Major Klutz

Major Klutz
In the past, when pilots tried to swap planets in an SRV, they ended up clipping through the other moon.
Ships that were landed clipped through but ships in the air impacted with the other moon.

If you're planning to fly to the other moon in an SLF, remember, your mother ship has to be in the air and the moon may be approaching your ship at ~115m/s
Unless you're at the side or behind the point of contact.


Has anyone calculated the current approach speed? I'm watching Han Zulu's live stream and they don't appear to be getting much closer.
We're already past my earliest prediction of 17:14, and from the look of it we have a few hours to go.
 
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Jackie Silver

Jackie Silver
I'm in space at the very top edge of 2C's orbital cruise range, carrying out the fascinating experiment of "how fast will my ship go if I turn the engines off and let it fall under 0.03g acceleration for a long time."

Distance to 2C is 2.1 Mm, distance to 2B is 2.21 Mm.

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Oops! The nose of the ship is pointed towards 2C but it's actually falling backwards towards 2B. :D

As a great philosopher once wrote, the hard part about playing chicken is knowing when to switch your engines back on and boost to supercruise...
 
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MattG

MattG
MattG said:
Throwing my guess into the ring, based off those times. Contact at 16:50, peak at around 22:38.

Hmm. I wonder if I can get there in time for peak...
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Reading back, looks like surface to surface didn’t happen until 15:30 (not ‘peak’ contact) - so revised guess (allowing for BST) is 21:38 :p
 

ITZC0ATL

ITZC0ATL
I've just docked back at Colonia and I'll be heading towards this system shortly - I'm cutting it pretty fine it seems :D

Are CMDRs meeting there in Fleetcomm or Open?
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
HAL- 9000 said:
I've just docked back at Colonia and I'll be heading towards this system shortly - I'm cutting it pretty fine it seems :D
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You still have time. Getting here, using neutron stars is quick.

Are CMDRs meeting there in Fleetcomm or Open?
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I'm currently in Solo since I didn't want any surprise while afk during streaming. Closing live stream now but when I come back later I will be in Fleetcomm.

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I'm 1.36 Mm from 2C and 2.48 Mm from 2B. It's within 2C's orbital zone, but here's the strange thing right now. The coordinates are changing while I'm staying still. I'm not in SC, and before when I was parked in space, the coordinates didn't change. It's the longitude (I think, the second one). It's at 57.8... something and decreasing. So either 2C is rotating under me, or my position is affected somehow.
 
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Major Klutz

Major Klutz
Han Zulu said:
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I'm 1.36 Mm from 2C and 2.48 Mm from 2B. It's within 2C's orbital zone, but here's the strange thing right now. The coordinates are changing while I'm staying still. I'm not in SC, and before when I was parked in space, the coordinates didn't change. It's the longitude (I think, the second one). It's at 57.8... something and decreasing. So either 2C is rotating under me, or my position is affected somehow.
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That's what happens. You're closer to, and displaying the coordinates for one moon but your relative motion frame of reference is the other moon. You're moving at ~115m/s relative to one moon or the other.
 

Han Zulu

Han Zulu
Current approach speed from my vantage point is now 0.008 Mm/min. And distance is currently 2.41 Mm @ 19:02 IGT (1.36 Mm from 2C)
 

CMDR ANCALAGON

C
Well, I think I blew it. I made it home and logged into my SRV on 2B. The lights are out (I the the giant is blocking them) but it looked like the lights were on over on 2C, so I recalled my ship, docked, and flew out into SC. I flew around and in between the moons with no problem, and then went to touch down on 2C.

I checked the system map while in OC because I lost track of which moon I was actually landing on and wanted make sure I had the right moon selected.

The system map showed that I had 2C selected, but that I was on 2B and 2C. Zooming in showed that I was not on 2B.

I went back amd dropped into orbital glide and was hovering about 7km off the surface, when I accidently deselected the moon and began falling to the ground. I was just sitting there on the surface banging around, trying to figure out how to get out of this situation (thrusters were ineffective).

Since this was not a combat situation and I seemed more stuck than anything, I logged out.

Now when I try to log back in, I get the spinning ship for an extra long while, and then I get "could not connect to matchmaking server." I logged into my alt account just fine, so I'm assuming that the game can't decide which planet to place me on.

I'll contact support and see if they can put me somewhere.
 

Major Klutz

Major Klutz
IGT is nearly 21:00.
Macedonica's live stream looks close but no contact yet.
https://youtu.be/tEqS_A7efNg

Update: Han Zulu's stream shows the, further than they look from the surface.
https://youtu.be/bWAmt-I8s9Q

If anyone needs to rush home from work, now's the time.
Seems to be on schedule for ~30-60 minutes from now. But contact will last up to four hours.

1.96Mm now (@21:07) surface to surface of 0.613Mm at 0.48Mm/hr is another 1.2 hrs
 
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Han Zulu

Han Zulu
Gone live here too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWAmt-I8s9Q

Going to supercruise over to the other planet and try to get in between.

Hah! Cool. It went to SC and then immediately dropped to surf of other planet. I don't know if I'm going to be squashed.

And you can actually see them move. Stars slowly being covered behind them.
 
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