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You are quitting because of a camera mode?
That seems extreme.
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That seems extreme.
Not in that quote you didn't. That quote was directed at Michael who uses the forum.
Just having a little bit of fun here though so don't take me too seriously.
Not taking you too seriosusly, but again - what's your point?
If FD wish to implement an external view (with no advantages to gameplay) Great!! I'm all for it...External screen shots of an epic battle going on would look great outside the cockpit. I'm all for taking my stock sidewinder out for a jolly to be destroyed in the process (it costs nothing to replace) The thing is...when you get external screenshots, people will share them. When people share them, other people online go "oh my good aunt Jessy, that looks awesome!" What then follows, is more playerbase and income for the company. I'm all for that...
I can't believe that in a game such as this, which seems to have a higher aged commmunity, people are being so negative about this particular feature. Why? What reason? Is it because people want really sweet looking screenshots? It's already been said that there will be no control over your ship while in this debug mode...
If you say it breaks immersion...does it break your immersion if someone else is viewing their own surroundings? Can you see them do that? I don't think so. It is an option. Not a mandatory engagement. You have a choice whether to use this feature. No-one is holding a gun to your mouth and saying that it HAS to be used. Really, c'mon guys...
Screenshots are promotion, you want this to succeed don't you? I know I do...
...I love this game...
I can't believe that in a game such as this, which seems to have a higher aged commmunity, people are being so negative about this particular feature. Why? What reason? Is it because people want really sweet looking screenshots? It's already been said that there will be no control over your ship while in this debug mode...
If you say it breaks immersion...does it break your immersion if someone else is viewing their own surroundings? Can you see them do that? I don't think so. It is an option. Not a mandatory engagement. You have a choice whether to use this feature. No-one is holding a gun to your mouth and saying that it HAS to be used. Really, c'mon guys...
Screenshots are promotion, you want this to succeed don't you? I know I do...
...I love this game...
I am psyched about it and look forward to many new desktops!
Thanks FDevs!
Thanks FDevs!
Yeah, let's not make this game into freelancer, with a story and offline mode,smaller universe and being able to group up easily and moddable with a decent super cruise and some gorgeous scenery and hazards like pirates that can sorta fight unlike the NPCs in this game.....
Yeah this 3rd person camera will totally break the game for the olddads and neets in this board.
Yeah this 3rd person camera will totally break the game for the olddads and neets in this board.
Don't be too harsh on him; the laws of the universe require that no matter what FD do, someone must rage-quit/flounce over it. Even if, as in this case, it's to add a useful feature with literally no drawbacks whatsoever. The good captain is simply taking this one for the team.
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As long as this isn't going to impact gameplay at all, and isn't the start of a slippery slope towards 3rd person gameplay, I'm all for it. Always have been. I have my doubts that some of the 3PV crew will be satisfied with this, since they can't run a chase cam or control their ship whilst in 3PV, but maybe the devs will stick to their guns. However, seeing as everyone who was campaigning for this was continually assuring everyone that it won't affect actual gameplay, what was the big deal about getting it in?
Personally, I think there are a large number of additions to the game that would actually affect gameplay in a positive fashion. I would have preferred that they concentrated their development efforts on that stuff, and put space selfies somewhere near the bottom of their priorities until some of that other stuff was included.
Still, I guess this threadnought proves that if you moan enough, Frontier will pander to your desires. Maybe now some of the "FD doesn't listen to us" people will shut up for a bit (although there have already been posts complaining about how long it took to include...so maybe not)! Now perhaps the devs can move on to improving the actual game?
Personally, I think there are a large number of additions to the game that would actually affect gameplay in a positive fashion. I would have preferred that they concentrated their development efforts on that stuff, and put space selfies somewhere near the bottom of their priorities until some of that other stuff was included.
Still, I guess this threadnought proves that if you moan enough, Frontier will pander to your desires. Maybe now some of the "FD doesn't listen to us" people will shut up for a bit (although there have already been posts complaining about how long it took to include...so maybe not)! Now perhaps the devs can move on to improving the actual game?
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In fairness, pretty much all they're doing is providing access to the debug camera they currently use in-house. It's hardly going to set other priorities back by any meaningful amount.
I wouldn't say it proves that at all. For a start, this is a threadnought mainly because people were arguing over whether various forms of external view should be added. If two camps are shouting equally and one gets their wish, you can hardly say that the decision was purely due to that camp shouting. Moreover, plenty other decisions have been protested to similar extents, but to no avail. All that has been demonstrated is that FD listen to all views, and provide functionality that they feel has merits, while remaining conscious of valid objections. I think that's pretty commendable, personally.
They're already doing this. At a pretty blistering pace, frankly.
I've read this a few times and cannot discern the point of your being.
Or to put this another way, I spend zero time on Porshe forums despite having owned and raced several variants in my time.
As for the external view, this is great albeit rediculouly belated news and I may even buy a paint job to celebrate!
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From people that want the game to fail so they can have the server to play single player offline to people complaining about NPC griefing and you can't believe that folks only want to play from the cockpit? Welcome to Elite: Dangerous.
So i can finally view the paint job i purchased better and then show screen shots to friends and colleagues to potentially help increase game sales?
this is such a bad thing! Uninstall!
this is such a bad thing! Uninstall!
I've never owned a games console since the Atari 2600, never use a 3rd person view in any flight sim (beyond taking screenies), and I much prefer 1st person walkabout games, yet I would very much like an external camera in E : D. Weird, huh? Maybe you're being a little opinionated / intolerant / trolly here?
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Yes - it has become pointless - the singleplayer is too trivial as it stands and multiplayer has been spoiled by this. Of course I could just not use it, but I doubt playing a game where I'm the only one not abusing the hell out of a dev-introduced wallhack is going to be a lot of fun.
It renders every aspect of cockpit design entirely pointless - want to look through your cockpits floor? Enable X-ray vision for 100 ms. Doesn't matter if you can't control your ship during those 100 ms. Unless there's a delay of at least 30 seconds it is going to be exploited ad nauseam.
Even if what you say is true, FD have stated (as per the latest newsletter)their intent was for this not to be used to gain an advantage in combat.
If somehow ends up being used in this way, it'll get tweaked so it can't. Nothing to worry about if FD are good to their intent.
Michael Brookes
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Your ship can be moving, but you cannot control your ship while in the debug view.
Michael
This is true, it will be used to gain advantage in combat.
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Good to hear.
I for one trust in FD to be able to make something useless for combat.
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