Keep everything working so you can see what your weapons look like in 3rd person. there is no advantage to being able to have 3rd person vs in cockpit as you lose so much information there is no appreciable benefit I can see.
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Keep everything working so you can see what your weapons look like in 3rd person. there is no advantage to being able to have 3rd person vs in cockpit as you lose so much information there is no appreciable benefit I can see.
Which is a shame as I'm eying up 3 skins for my ships but I'm not buying them until I can actually see them, I got suckered once buying the wireframe cobra one, not again.
I seriously think anyone who's against external views is just trolling as this game at the moment has less views than the 1984 original!
Then you have no idea about pvp, in pretty much any game, ever.
Think about it for a while, if you can't figure out why I'll spell it out again.
Making 3rd person view viable for combat will force anyone who doesn't want to gimp themselves to use it. Lets not make ED an arcadish game.
Probably never.
Elite: Dangerous is a very immersive game, I doubt they want to break that appearance.
And yes, you can argue that only annoying people on the forums cry "It's not realistic!" and say ignore them, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people want
to play in first person view regardless, and the inclusion of external view then becomes an unfair advantage.
Ever tried dogfighting in first person in a Battlefield game?
Elite: Dangerous is a very immersive game, I doubt they want to break that appearance.
And yes, you can argue that only annoying people on the forums cry "It's not realistic!" and say ignore them, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people want
to play in first person view regardless, and the inclusion of external view then becomes an unfair advantage.
Ever tried dogfighting in first person in a Battlefield game?
When you get up in the morning, do you put clothes on for you to gawk at in the mirror, or for everyone else?
Snark out of the way.
I think there's two points at play here: the immersion, and the balance. A 3rd person dogfighter has a significant advantage over a 1st person dogfighter. Now, care as little about immersion as you like, there are people who do care a lot and will sit in 1st person no matter what, and so long as you have them, PvP can never be really balanced.
I see the appeal of flying 3rd person, especially with paint. But FD has put so much work into making the cockpit immersive I probably would just go back to 1st after a while.
I keep my paint on for everyone else, and then just kind of forget about it until somebody says "nice paintjob". I mean, you wouldn't have this problem with a real-life car, would you?
People don't want an advantage in combat, we want to see the outside of our ship in space. But as it is now FD wants us to buy ship skins with real money which are only visible in the outfitting screen on a station.
It's about options that every similar game provides, just not this one. Even Star Citizen Alpha has external view already, even in combat, and this works great because external view just disables all HUD, so you can't do anything during a fight. And this would be even better for screenshots and recordings.
And regarding "immersion": There are already cars with external cameras, so why the hell should a spaceship more than 1.000 years in the future not have one?
I lay it out for you as you obviously didn't read this thread before posting this nonsense: everybody who ever dogfighted in a jet or plane (pvp) will know what Situational awareness is required to win a dogfight. Now with even a 2 second switch to external camera, movimg the mouse to see my enemy and grabbing back my stick or throttle, switching back into cockpit I've lost a) my SA, because I have to reorientate and b) couldn't maneuver precisely enough and may already be in a worse postion than before.
A simple glance at my radar display with the nice dots would have given me the enemies positon without comprmising SA and let me continue my turn, roll or boost.
I never saw any simmer winning a dogfight in external view, but many got shot to pieces while wasting preciois seconds.
Just because you can't read the scanner display, doesn't mean others can not. As well as you may not be the only one who regularly fights against other players in simulation games, yet I still have to see any combat flight sim that has no external vkew... DCS World, IL-2 any title, Rise of flight to name a few.
Yet, again, if people pee their pants in fear of the almighty external view make it solo mode only.... personally I think just the need to use the mouse for rolling the view around your ship should be enough to make it uselss in combat.
Nobody wants a 3rd Person over the shoulder look, with superimposed HUD or crap like this.
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Man, you're so courageous. I must say, I gave up the fight. Reading the same flawed arguments over and over from the few people who actually despise the idea of an external camera has got the best of me. So kuddos to you
Knowing from Michael that FD aknowleged the strong request for the feature and promised it will be there eventually is enough for me right now, even though I'd like to see that happening today.
I wouldn't mind having some kind of 'Photo Mode' á la Euro Truck Simulator 2 and Shadow Of Mordor. Of course freezing a "live" game might be a tad tricky but maybe keep the game running and ship flying it's set course, you just pop out to take pictures. And in case something happens that requires your attention you're catapulted back to your seat.
I suspect once Squadron 42 is released later this year (along with its external views) that the loneliness of space in Elite: Dangerous will become even more immersive! JOY!!!
Somehow, the real flight sims out there manage to get along just fine offering external camera views. ...probably something to do with cockpit/hud/instrument combat dependence; such that being out of the cockpit would really be a disadvantage.
...and no I haven't tried dogfighting in a Battlefield game. I don't buy/play FPS games. Ever tried to start the engine of a P51 in DCS?
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All the time, it's the best way I can see exactly where I'm aiming and know exactly where the plane is, likewise I never drive in a racing game in external view, I feel too disconnected from the machine. However, I can in EVERY other game look at my vehicle. It seems like this game is "special" whereby people don't want to be tempted by a key press to have some supposed advantage.
If you want a real advantage in combat I suggest you use Occulus the free headlook is an amazing advantage against a player who cannot look and steer at the same time. There is no reason why this cannot just be implemented now, heck looking at the new 1.1 trailer you see loads of external views, now redo that trailer using just internal views.. it'd be VERy boring to watch. A bit like just flying in a ship in a fantasy game...
How can it be abused in combat? What advantage does it give a player?
Does this beat using an Occulus Rift, or a multi-monitor set up? If not why are they not blocked?
Skins are blantently pointless... so glad I did not fall into that money trap! Hope the NPC's enjoy your chrome!
Your frustration is quite understandable. Upon buying new ships I'm always a little sad that there is no way to see it from outside and show it to my viewers
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Let's be accurate about this: It's not integral to the game designers' priorities but it IS integral to Frontier's advertising of the game. It's the beautiful 3rd person screenshots that draw people in, it's the ship skins that Frontier are selling.
I know - there are games that have cinematic trailers that in no way remotely reflect the appearance of the game. It's much worse when the lie is made with the game's own engine: you expect "in-game footage" to be footage of what you'll actually see when you are in the game.
"You can see your ship in the hangar". Nope. I've never seen my Asp, only bits of it. And as far as seeing my space ship in a hangar ... I could just download and view far more interesting 3d ship models online for KSP or Orbiter.
Solution: Tell the team members who have a problem with external view that 1990 called and said it wants to be "just friends" from now on.
I'm pretty sure I've suggested this before, but they could make a 3rd person view in super cruise only. There's no combat in super cruise, so people can use it to just take screen shots of their ships
yes lets not make Elite arcade like this xbox Microsoft flight sim and console DCS - oh no
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I'm pretty sure I've suggested this before, but they could make a 3rd person view in super cruise only. There's no combat in super cruise, so people can use it to just take screen shots of their ships
I don't mind in super cruise or when someone exit out of supercruise as long as no one in range of your radar. So there no possibility for you to see another person or the other person can see you
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