that doesn’t reinforce the system it’s happening in, that’s not counterplay. If I go to their system and do the same that doesn’t reinforce the system they are undermining, it’s not about revenge lol. It’s about preventing them from pushing the system out of our control via a means that has no means of countering on the same pace, it’s a Balancing issue.
Hang on, does killing them reinforce the system? Or just temporarily prevent them undermining it. Is there no other way to reinforce a system? I thought there were activities for this.
Not on the pace of what they are doing, they are in solo or a private group just pulling the npc police at the carriers away from the carriers and slaughtering them, we can’t fight them in private group or solo, and the speed at which they’re able to accrue undermining points outpaces any of the activities for reinforcing the system, by far. It’s a pacing issue or balancing issue. Basically they can run full speed and we have to carry a rock and stop and solve a puzzle every other step, our only hope is if they just stop. It’s 3 guys and we’ve got 0 chance of catching them I’m in a discord server for the power easily a dozen players tried to reinforce and they out paced us badly the undermine is over 5x what the reinforce managed to get to.
Outpaces a similar sized group? Or do you mean they're undermining faster than the entirety of CMDRs reinforcing the system? Because there has to be a ton of guys in solo/pg who are reinforcing the system also.
I've not messed with PP2.0 yet, but does it show you that it's only 3 commanders... or did you just see 3 doing a thing and assume they are responsible for 100% of the effort against you?
They massively outpace a similarly sized group, we had more than triple the players reinforcing, we’ve been watching it all day.
The squadron they’re in has 3 players, so sure there could have been more, but it’s not hard to figure out we watched them do it for a long time in open yesterday, it’s better than farming npcs at a hazardous res site. There’s no reinforcement option that can outpace that. It’s literally a never ending shooting fish in a barrel scenario. Even if the system had a hazardous res site (which it doesn’t) we still couldn’t keep this pace. Eventually it’ll end up on YouTube and it’ll become a big deal, then it’ll have to be dealt with.
I love that you seem to be the first person that understands I’m not just whining but actually pointing out a simple issue, and yeah I think your suggestion is perfectly sensible.
I shouldn't worry too much, it's very early days and the effect of farming npcs, or anything else unbalanced will be tweaked as needed to prevent PP coming off the rails.
I’d post it but I’m afraid to post it here for fear of exacerbating this issue. I can tell you currently it’s 291,000 to 43,000. I promise you I’m not making it up, I do agree though, eventually someone will make a YouTube video on it because it’s certainly a great merit farm, and then it’ll get addressed.
Edit: Disregard, figured out the points display issue I was having.
But that doesn’t reinforce the system against undermining, so how’s that helpful? Seriously why do people keep making this suggestion, I’m not out for revenge, I’m trying to counteract the undermining.Go do the same back to their stronghold carrier
The issue is a) PvE NPC defences are crap and b) due to the diffuse nature of PP2 that tactic is of limited use given how decentralised it all is.
If it's actually the intended meta gameplay to earn merits by design, then maybe it's time to rename these systems on the galmap to 'weakhold' from 'stronghold'.
They definitely would not be able to do it this efficiently if PPV2 was Open Only, which seems to have been the original intention by the look of this design.
The easiest way to defend these stronghold systems would be to make stronghold carrier instances off-limits to NPCs.
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