Yes. Exactly. And the SC wakes are bloodstains -- Someone was there. It may have ended badly.
FD made an MMO without understanding how successful MMOs work
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Yes. Exactly. And the SC wakes are bloodstains -- Someone was there. It may have ended badly.
Well said sir.
rebirth was terrible, reunion was playable. Going to try terran conflict next
The game is what is it, play it or don't play it.
Be back shortly though as I don't like chicken so I'm off to make an account on Bernard Mathews forum and tell him how rubbish his chickens are!!!!
Be back shortly though as I don't like chicken so I'm off to make an account on Bernard Mathews forum and tell him how rubbish his chickens are!!!!
I was very tempted I must admit, but sadly didn't get around to playing it this free weekend just gone. Thanks for your heads up, I'll definitely treat it with an air of caution
X:Rebirth is awful and I am sad that you played it. Nobody deserves that.
The earlier X games though: hey, look, a persistent universe. And hey, look, persistent NPCs that trundle busily back and forth between systems on logical tasks. There's a lot of smoke and mirrors in the X games (and an easily-breakable economy that, say, prevents the creation of 25MW shields), and a pants-distressingly high amount of grind as well, but Egosoft did do many things right.
TC/AP are superb imo best space game i've played, something about firing marines in boarding missiles onto a capital ship just blew me away, hope you enjoy it as much as i did!
I really don't think FD thought "Lets make a great MMO" when they started all that, they thought "Lets make a great Elite Game".
And I'm glad about that.
And I'm glad about that.
Yes, X3:TC was great fun.
My favorite thing about Reunion was that I could capture ships I had almost destroyed and add them to my fleet. It would be awesome to capture a fleet of Anacondas with NPC captains following you around.
I like that you could do comms with NPCs, and could get missions from passersby.
The holy trinity of MMO mission design: "Go here!" "Kill this!" or "Find That!".
and sometimes all three at the same time, "Go here, kill this to find that".
However, to be fair... building a system for generating perpetual content to fill a never ending open world, that is meaningful and has enough depth and randomness to keep players interested... is easier said then done.
While Elite Dangerous is currently a little too simplistic, the scale of the task being asked of it is not small thing to accomplish. It's easy to shout "Hey! make it better! This sucks!", but I challenge anyone to come up with something better.
It can be done, but I'm sure once you take up the challenge you (we) will quickly see the problem with thinking the solution is obvious. There is a lot more to this then merely "generate X number of pre-baked scenarios" to cycle through.
and sometimes all three at the same time, "Go here, kill this to find that".
However, to be fair... building a system for generating perpetual content to fill a never ending open world, that is meaningful and has enough depth and randomness to keep players interested... is easier said then done.
While Elite Dangerous is currently a little too simplistic, the scale of the task being asked of it is not small thing to accomplish. It's easy to shout "Hey! make it better! This sucks!", but I challenge anyone to come up with something better.
It can be done, but I'm sure once you take up the challenge you (we) will quickly see the problem with thinking the solution is obvious. There is a lot more to this then merely "generate X number of pre-baked scenarios" to cycle through.
I wouldn't have explained it better
I just wanted to add : Why new MMOs should copy what was made before? No instance for "powerful players"? What do you call "powerful"? Ask The Mittani, one of the most "powerful" (rich ;p ) people in Eve, he replies that because of that, he has to stay outside of Eve world, in order to be safe lol. So in Eve, "powerful" players don't play instance, they play meta-gaming, which i personally don't find very fun.
I like to explore, is my final purpose to visit every systems in ED universe, then log out and don't play anymore? Even in a full life, i won't manage to complete that goal, but i guess a very good explorer can bring back datas from the other side of the Milky Way while a rookie one will visit only nearest systems.
Sorry, but i will reply "If you don't like it, don't play it" for me, FD hasn't failed, i played Elite 2, and E
seems far more ELite spirit than any space MMOs i played before (fortunately). Another theme park MMO like "I start at lvl 1, grinding brainless to max lvl with no fun, then start to run "high end instances", would have been pointless. I guess lits of people think that MMOs must be like blockbuster's ones, no new ideas. I like the idea to make the universe evolve, even when i play solo. I played a lot Wurm Online too, which is a MMORPG with very few players (few hundreds), it's very different than any other MMORPGs i played before, no cash shop pets, no individual quests (though there are sometimes a few "religion quests" involving all servers in a common purpose), no instance, no high end dungeons (though there are a few unique mobs randomly wandering), no lvl...Is it a MMORPG? Yes. Is WoW a MMORPG? I guess so too. Both are so different, but they both involve lots of players in RPG (Don't know if i can talk about RP for WoW, though^^).X reunion was awesome, especially with some of the third party mods. (I designed one of the ships for those)
I dont rate any that came after that. Don't get me started on rebirth.
I dont rate any that came after that. Don't get me started on rebirth.
IMO, Terran Conflict is the best of them - I have logged WAAAAAAAAAY too many hours in that game. I recommend it. ^^ (And you are correct, Rebirth was terrible. =P)
Also, I am really loving that there are so many admirers of the X series coming out of the woodwork here. Hi guys!
I have dabbled with the x series but always hated how you had them gates. It ended up as lots of 3 dimension maps joined together. The only one I reached the end of ( story wise ) was the first one. That fed my elite craving moderately.