FDev - Please Buff Combat instead of Nerfing Mining!

Gavin786

Gavin786
I have kind of given up on this Forum(and this game somewhat) now. Why I have been silent lately.

Its not good to say "I told you so". But I told you so.

I really enjoyed VO mining, esp in VR it was fantastic. So I am particularly nonplussed about this nerf.

We really aught to be putting some pressure on FDev to roll this back, how it has been done is abysmal, 50% of mining is now looking for a port to sell not doing actual mining.

Typical that one area of the game is nerfed yet there is no balance anywhere else to even it out.

Could have buffed Combat and it could have been "the thing" this year as mining was last.

FDev do not play this game and seem not to listen to the people who actually do.

Anyway, for those who actually do still care, maybe could be a good idea to raise some voice and try and get this shambles rolled back till FDev come up with some kind of VIABLE economy system. Real economy is great, but that should be based upon player creation somehow, not just arbitrary.

Really dont give a dam either way now. Got better things to do than care about this game. Maybe mind will change when fleet carriers and the 2022 update arrives, but not holding my breath.

CMDR Gavin786
 

Riverside

Riverside
I wrote in another thread that whenever some meta-progression feature or loophole is nerfed there has always been another even more ludicrous meta waiting to be found ;)

I don't mine but as I understand it the actual process of mining hasn't changed, only the feeling of progression that comes from selling the stuff that's been mined.

I can understand that people want to feel they have achieved something, and that for a big goal (or which ED has many, one of my favourite aspects of the game is that I can set huge targets that I can spend months working towards) some will want big progression rather than setting smaller personal goals.

If the satisfaction comes from the feeling of earning huge money, and that huge payout to the player can be done in a way that has little impact on Faction inf (ie does not directly impact the competitive BGS), IMO let them eat cake. Money (and inf) is generated out of thin air by sharing wing mission rewards after all.
 

Chaparral

Chaparral
What is the max payout for an Elite anaconda in a res zone? maybe 280k? Very rarely 300k? You see those condas on average probably 1/(5-7 minutes). If you don't you have to reinstance until you get the right seed that drops the bigger ships. Your kill rate is related to your ammo-limited kinetics. Which means interruptions to reload or rearm and burn mats.

The point is res zone combat farming pays one tenth the current state of mining even after the "nerf". I would much rather fight may way to a fleet carrier than blast rocks.

Pay for bounty hunting is lame compared to other methods of income earning. I guess pays less because its actually fun.
 

Bigmaec

Bigmaec
Northpin said:
45 millions for a 72 ships wing massacre mission? Plus Combat Bonds.
It is taking 4-5 clean-ups of a High CZ

And it is also a nice way to free gift 45 millions to a noob. Or anyone else
Actually to 3 other cmdrs.
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Or you do it with 3 CMDRs, everyone takes one of those, you pew pew for an hour in a wing of four clearing some CZs and all earn 200 million/hour.

Whoops, did I say that loud? Nerf incoming.
 

Hellrider

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This isn't nerf.
This is fix, demand should be connected with price :)
Do you like mining in VR? So do it, you rly don't need 104810 billions. With 6-7 you can buy and outfit all ships.
And this is still good money.
Yes, combat has very low payouts, but maybe it is point? The most exciting (for devs) activities has the lowest income? Of course i dont say, that this is ok. This isn't ok, players should be able to earn money in all ways, not only via mining and trading missions.
 
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Ezren

Ezren
Gavin786 said:
Its not good to say "I told you so". But I told you so.
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Also not best to say it when you weren't right to begin with.

Mining needed to have its absurd gold rush ended. Combat payouts are fine, if you know what you're doing. If you think they're not fine, well..
 

kdogg788

kdogg788
Northpin said:
45 millions for a 72 ships wing massacre mission? Plus Combat Bonds.
It is taking 4-5 clean-ups of a High CZ

And it is also a nice way to free gift 45 millions to a noob. Or anyone else
Actually to 3 other cmdrs.
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Easier said than done though. Especially for someone like me who does not have an engineered combat ship. This why mining payouts had to come way down. All the risk in high and haz CZ should come with high payouts. Little to no risk with mining should come with moderate payouts.

-k
 

Northpin

Northpin
kdogg788 said:
Easier said than done though. Especially for someone like me who does not have an engineered combat ship. This why mining payouts had to come way down. All the risk in high and haz CZ should come with high payouts. Little to no risk with mining should come with moderate payouts.

-k
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If you dont have an engineered ship, that's entirely on you.
CZ are balanced around engineering, still for an engineered warship, a CZ does not pose much risk and even less for a wing of engineered ships

Mining had no risk? reconnecting mid mining session means you'd get pirates on you. Minor, but still a risk - especially for some paperplanes out there
But i agree, they could add more pirates to pester the miners even mid session. I would rather have that instead of the current market mess / price nerf.
 

kdogg788

kdogg788
Mining has almost zero risk. I saw a stream yesterday where the guy was like “Let’s mine some low temp diamonds. Hey theres some pirates over there.”. Takes care of them in 30 seconds. Now to mining several hundred million. Seems like an imbalanced amount of risk.

-k
 

Ezren

Ezren
Northpin said:
If you dont have an engineered ship, that's entirely on you.
CZ are balanced around engineering, still for an engineered warship, a CZ does not pose much risk and even less for a wing of engineered ships

Mining had no risk? reconnecting mid mining session means you'd get pirates on you. Minor, but still a risk - especially for some paperplanes out there
But i agree, they could add more pirates to pester the miners even mid session. I would rather have that instead of the current market mess / price nerf.
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Reconnecting just meant that ships would spawn in, it isn't always pirates. You can also just spawn in System Authority ships.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Ezren said:
Reconnecting just meant that ships would spawn in, it isn't always pirates. You can also just spawn in System Authority ships.
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In a non populated system they're always pirates, never police ships.
I guess you didn't do much painite/ltd/vop mining lately, as in last year. This type of mining happens in hotspots, more often than not in non populated systems and always outside Res sites.
 

Tharrn

Tharrn
I earned 80 million mining LTD in a T7 for an hour last night to buy a T9. In the T9 I could mine even faster, so I could probably gather the financial means to buy and A-rate the biggest ships in game in less than 10 hours. The greatest risk was being interdicted on the way to the station, as the mining itself is 100% risk free if not done in open.

Financially that means I have hit endgame in less than 24 hours. Let's not talk about speedruns people much better at the game than me (mediocre long-term player at best). So... what is that obsession with earning hundreds of millions per hour? Might as well just get rid of credits.

IMHO it hasn't been nerfed hard enough, but I guess that is not a popular opinion :D
 

Northpin

Northpin
kdogg788 said:
Mining has almost zero risk. I saw a stream yesterday where the guy was like “Let’s mine some low temp diamonds. Hey theres some pirates over there.”. Takes care of them in 30 seconds. Now to mining several hundred million. Seems like an imbalanced amount of risk.

-k
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So you saw the stream. How about do it yourself?

And you'd think the solution would be to increase the risks not nerf the income.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Northpin said:
In a non populated system they're always pirates, never police ships.
I guess you didn't do much painite/ltd/vop mining lately, as in last year. This type of mining happens in hotspots, more often than not in non populated systems and always outside Res sites.
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My experience was specifically from VO mining, last weekend.
 

Northpin

Northpin
Ezren said:
My experience was specifically from VO mining, last weekend.
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oh well... i always do my mining in non-populated systems. And i always clear the zone of any NPC before actually starting to mine.
Hence me never seeing a police ship while mining. Only pirates and, to a lesser extent, some poor npc sod that picked a really bad time to mine...
 
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