Fer de lance and expected python nerf

[Raz0rking]

i know what will come after the nerf.
Some pythons will get their ass handed by a wing of vipers/eagles/cobras. The wing thinks oh yeah let us take down the next one, but then they stumble across a pilot that has mastered the python better than the predececor and wipes the floor with the wing. That will happen multiple times, at multiple locations with multiple people. And then the crying will start again that the python is OP.
Skill over fu.king gear! Good gears helps no contest to that, but it does not make you invincible. (If you have played WoT you know what i mean)

 

[Derath]

They can't. Watch the SuBSynk video here: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=102717&page=36&p=1601158&viewfull=1#post1601158

Pack of pilots, mixed Cobras and Vipers of which the video one has a Beam laser could not crack him.

Shield cells cannot be cracked, beams aren't bad for frontload but all the pilots need them not just one. Those players would have had a hard time getting through a solo viper until he ran out of shield cells. I mean I can't understand why this video keeps getting brought up, he's used a shield cell within the first minute, within the first 20s if were talking actual combat its not a video about OP python its a video about OP shield cells you could do the same thing in a Conda, a Clipper you can probably do it in an Asp! The only difference you'd see is he'd drop 2 rings before using shield cell rather than 1, and run out of them faster lol.

 

[m4th3m4t1c14n]

If I were a trader I'd count my blessings knowing that my ship is 4x more lethal than the only dedicated fighter in the game. It is an awesome trade ship: you just know you can get any route done no matter what people intend to do to you. You can't say the same of a T7. You know all this talk about poor traders being harmed by 'griefers'. Guess how many of them were flying Pythons. Guess how much they lost in T6/T7 insurance and cargo? But no, if you mean that you invested all that money to bounty hunt and it hardly pays of: you are correct. That is probably why very few armies use oil tankers to blockade shipping lanes, and it may be why Pizza Hut does not deliver your Quatro Formaggi in a tank.

Good point. However, the Python is not a trader, it's multi-role like the Cobra. Well, it is until the nerf. I'm not surprised you consider it a trader. I certainly do now.

 

[Kyokushin]

but the intent to offend is still present in many of your posts, these are but a few. Don't be a hypocrite.

It is hard to understand the meaning of 'get lost and do not offend' for you? You have problem with reading or understanging? Or maybe both?
If somebody offend someone else must know there will be a reaction. This no work is this way when you offend somebody and he remain silent.

Maybe some moderator should explain this in more expressive way.

 

[m4th3m4t1c14n]

It is hard to understand the meaning of 'get lost' for you? You have problem with reading or understanging? Or maybe both?

I think you may have just proven his point!

 

[Ian Skippy]

Good point. However, the Python is not a trader, it's multi-role like the Cobra. Well, it is until the nerf. I'm not surprised you consider it a trader. I certainly do now.

It is a big debate. Up until ED the Python was a pure trader. It became more multi-role in ED, and now the devs seem to have it back as a heavy trader: http://wiki.alioth.net/index.php/Python_(Classic)

BTW, for those who want to dominate combat, check the specs of the new Vulture mike posted.

 

[Kyokushin]

I think you may have just proven his point!

I think not. I prove what i said below his quote. Guy offend people in this topic, he said they are stupid, so i told him he should go for a 'trip' in more elegant words. Action and reaction.

When somebody spits in your face you will said it is only rain? Me not.

its only 4 times more lethal.....
i take out an elite conda in 1,5-2 minutes in my viper with two E1 beams + two B2 rails

i take out an elite conda in my python with 3 beams + 2 rails in 30 seconds.......so its only 3-4 times more lethal.....while costing 40-times more

bad cost efficiency

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AGAIN!!!! THAT IS NOT THE PYTHONS FAULT!
its only the shield cells! without them, even the 2 small beams would have cut through after 30 seconds of fire!

i can only shake head about all this stubborness

after the double nerf, the python will be useless for its pricetag! expect millions of repair bills after every fight......

Agree. But explaining this again and again to fixed minds it is a waste of our energy. Icey, come on, we got pythons and do some mess before they nerf it.

 

[Raz0rking]

so another trader in the so many traders present. i want a battleship not a trader/multipurpose ship

ps.: your filter is kinda weird FD

for real? this is kinda awesome in a bad way.

 

[Guyperson]

Quit pretending there is no way to quickly turn toward an opponent. FA OFF. At least try the damn changes before crying like a kid who just dropped his ice cream.

Flipping over with FAO isn't very effective if your opponent is faster than you. They can just glue themselves to your blind spot through your turn.

 

[IceyJones]

the shield cell nerf alone will nerf the python badly and buff group play insanely.....
3 vipers will be able to handle the best python already. 1 recharges while 2 keep attacking!

together with the shield nerf of the python and the agility loss, the python is totally outclassed by 3 vipers! and a mediocre python will have no other chance than run alone by 2 good vipers!

this is ridiculous if we see where we are coming from!

this double nerf is what annoys.....

i will go back to my maxed ASP then. after the python nerf, it is as agile + faster than the python while able to masslock it....
the python is toast!

 

[mongo2006]

Nurf The Python? Are You Serious?

First let me say Thank you for producing the game and thank you founders for pledging to help it move along I had never heard of Elite Dangerous until about 3 weeks ago when a few friends talked me into buying it. It took me 2 hours just to learn to land and take off, after my first warp through space I was hooked!! Night after night I was making the universe safer from those pirates, I decided to make Elite Dangerous my cyber home so I needed to make some cash and started to learn to trade because I WANTED A PYTHON.

So in 16 days of play I have a Type 9, a 6,000,000 per hour route (from exploring), and a 180,000,000 Python, and most importantly I was too late for all the glitches so I can say I earned every bit of my money.. I have no other ships nor do I need any other ships. Over the last couple of days I have taken a break from grinding and started exploring and working on my rank then I come to the forums to find the devs have ALREADY decided to nurf the Python.

I heard the reasons to nurf the Python has prongs 2 prongs.... 1. the PVP community thinks it's too strong and 2. the lore says it's a trader ship... Lets explore these OPINIONS...

1. PVP Community - I am a PVP'er have always been. I even trade in Open-Play, I even PVP in my Type-9, there are 8 commanders too embarrassed to tell their friends they got ripped to shreds by a Type-9 with no shield. I have found that most PVP players have no clue about Flight Assist or how to use it. Needless to say most PVP'ers don't know how to PVP anyway so who is ED listening to? I agree that in the right hands the Python is a great fighter and a pretty good trader (that's how I got my Type 9, I sold my Python to buy the Type 9 and got it back in 2 days) But PVP'ers need that one ship to strive for and the Python is it. 56,000,000 as a base price, 180,000,000 - 200,000,000 to equip, 50,000 in gas to go a few light years, these are GODLY prices and justify a GODLY ship. True PVP'ers will pay the cost to be the boss, this game is NOT PAY TO WIN and I thank you for that but if ED caves to Weekend Warriors that call them selves PVP'ers there is no reason to progress pass the price of a cheap fighter, 180,000,000 justifies the abilities of the PYTHON as it stands RIGHT NOW.

So lets compromise, give the stats (nurf) to the base Python but after spending 180,000,000 in ungrades the Python should have the same stats we enjoy right now. That is the desire of a true PVP'er, still leaves a reason to progress for PVP'ers, doesn't screw over the people that have already upgraded the Python, gives week end warriors a chance to destroy poorly upgraded pythons.... WIN, WIN, WIN.


2. I played Star Wars Old Republic for a year and gave them over $1000.00. I played Mech Warrior Online and gave them $600.00 over a year or so. I left both of those games over constant nurfs, they would sell a mech or ability and then nuf the heck out of it to make you buy the next thing.. got tired of pay to win and found this game. Now I didn't mind the money that wasn't the problem the problem is if I pay for something in money or my TIME I don't want it messed with. Clearly I spent all that time to buy the Python in it's present state, I wouldn't have even bothered to buy it if it wasn't the top fighter.. because I'M A PVP'er not a toothless lion (what the proposed Python will be) or weekend warrior.

Why was the Python released in the first place, I'm sure ED and the community knew the lore, the ship was beta tested, and given the thumbs up, now all of a sudden you want to nurf it. So if the Python isn't the best fighter and sure as heck ain't the best traded... too expensive to use for either... why own one? This logic scares me, it makes me wonder if this game is going to be full of nurfs in the future and if it is It's not the game for me. I'm all for balance, but balance it before you release it to the public.

 

[Ian Skippy]

How about checking one of the 30+ pages topics about this?

 

[Britannkic]

Be interesting to see what the shield cell nerf looks like.

The shield cell is what prevents a good 5 minute battle being a blink and you miss 30second battle.

 

[TheEponymousBob]

ps.: your filter is kinda weird FD

It's also there for a reason, so maybe just choose other words?

 

[Pilot Mark]

Amen to that, brother. "Balancing" is the most idiotic thing in games. If you go through all that trouble to make all that money and purchase high-end stuff, it has to be high-end. Effortlessly obliterating everything entry-level on it's path.

"Hey, I'm in my Sidey and I can't hurt this Python! Nerf it, please!" You're damn right you can't hurt it. Go make hundreds and hundreds of millions, put an effort there, grind & bear it, and equip yourself right.

It's like "look, this Bentley and H2 are overpowered, let's bring them down to starters VW Polo". Devs, don't to it.

Totally agree.

 

[Jack Crow]

First let me say Thank you for producing the game and thank you founders for pledging to help it move along I had never heard of Elite Dangerous until about 3 weeks ago when a few friends talked me into buying it. It took me 2 hours just to learn to land and take off, after my first warp through space I was hooked!! Night after night I was making the universe safer from those pirates, I decided to make Elite Dangerous my cyber home so I needed to make some cash and started to learn to trade because I WANTED A PYTHON.


Why was the Python released in the first place, I'm sure ED and the community knew the lore, the ship was beta tested, and given the thumbs up, now all of a sudden you want to nurf it. So if the Python isn't the best fighter and sure as heck ain't the best traded... too expensive to use for either... why own one? This logic scares me, it makes me wonder if this game is going to be full of nurfs in the future and if it is It's not the game for me. I'm all for balance, but balance it before you release it to the public.

What he said!

 

[mongo2006]

if you read 30 other post about it why are you even here?.....To answer this obvious question... to keep it freshly in the forums and on the minds of ED

 

[SuBSynk]

the shield cell nerf alone will nerf the python badly and buff group play insanely.....
3 vipers will be able to handle the best python already. 1 recharges while 2 keep attacking!

together with the shield nerf of the python and the agility loss, the python is totally outclassed by 3 vipers! and a mediocre python will have no other chance than run alone by 2 good vipers!

this is ridiculous if we see where we are coming from!

If the Cell nerf is going to be as strong as it sounds vipers will have trouble taking any cells & definitely will have to lose beam weapons in order to take them. A Python has no such trouble with power therefore i think you may be wrong on this.

 

[Kubicide]

Having a hard time getting past the "night after night of (killing pirates)" before trading, and having a T9 and 180M Python after only 16 days of play. Really?

 

[xondk]

I want to point out, that even after the nerf the python still has the best shield around....even better then anaconda at least according to the calculations people have posted.

So I would say the nerf probably was a good idea.